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jaya kopi janavala bhajaya giri vana dahi jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi bowed The Supreme Personality of God, Ed Hari, is the object for fulfilling the senses of all living entities. Illusion by the glaring reflection of the external energy, th...
jaya kopi janavala bhajaya giri vana dahi jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi janavala jaya kopi bowed The Supreme Personality of God, Ed Hari, is the object for fulfilling the senses of all living entities. Illusion by the glaring reflection of the external energy, the living entities worship the senses instead of engaging them properly in fulfilling the desires of the Supreme. In the Hari Bhaktasu Daudai, there is a following verse, Akshno palam toad rshadarsana mhi, dano palam toad rshagatra sanga, jifo palam toad rshakirtana mhi, sudur labhab hagavata hilo ke. O devotee of the Lord, the purpose of the visual sense is fulfilled simply by seeing you and to touch your body is the fulfillment of bodily touch. The tongue is meant for glorifying your qualities, because in this world a pure devotee of the Lord is very difficult to find. Originally, the senses of the living entity were awarded for this purpose, namely to engage them in the transcendental loving service of the Lord or that of his devotees. But the conditioned souls, illusioned by the material energy, became captivated by sense enjoyment. Therefore, the whole process of God-consciousness is meant to rectify the conditional activities of the senses and to re-engage them in the direct service of the Lord. Lord Premah thus engaged the senses in the Lord by recreating the conditioned living entities to act in the recreated universe. This material universe is thus created and annihilated by the will of the Lord. It is created to give the conditioned soul a chance to act to return home back to God and servants like Premahji, Naradaji, Vyasaji and their company become busy with the same purpose of the Lord, to reclaim the conditioned souls from the field of sense gratification and return them to the normal stage of engaging the senses in service of the Lord. Instead of doing so, in other words converting the actions of the senses, the impersonalists began to make the conditioned souls senseless and the Lord also senseless. That is improper treatment for the conditioned souls. The diseased condition of the senses may be treated by curing the defect but not uprooting the senses altogether. When there is some disease in the eyes, the eyes may be cured to see properly. Plucking out the eyes is no treatment. Similarly, the whole material disease is based on the process of sense gratification and liberation from the diseased condition is re-engagement of the senses to see the beauty of the Lord, hear his glories and act on his account. And due to contact with the material energy since time immemorial, we have become conditioned and we have forgotten our original consciousness due to being entangled in saints enjoyment. And further it states that currently we are in the illusory energy of the Lord. This is the location like where we are now. And this area or this space is called Maya, which means it is not this. And Proport further explains, so what is this Maya? This Maya is that we are trying to lord it over the material nature, but the reality is that actually we are trapped under her string and laws. So we falsely think ourselves to be very powerful. We falsely think ourselves to be the lord and master of all our survey. But actually we are at the bottom being pummeled, being squashed in the mortar to a pulp. Like those machines that, those cold pressed machines, have you seen them? Where they make the coconut oil, they take the husk, it is gigantic. Five men can put their arms around it, it is like a gigantic mortar. And they have got a pestle, this size, fat like this. I saw an electronic one and then it just goes all night. And then the little bit of oil that is in the pulp gets squeezed out. So we are under this pestle. But from our perspective, we are on the top of the world, having a great time. So this is Maya, that we think that actually this is so nice. But actually we are suffering like cats and dogs, we are fighting, we are struggling for existence, we are completely and always bombarded by all kinds of anxiety, all kinds of anxiety. How to stay healthy, how your kids are going to stay healthy, if you have kids, they sick quite often. I do not remember being sick so much. So how to maintain your family, how to maintain your relationships with your spouse and your children. When you are seeing your children growing up, realizing more and more, how powerless you really are to make them what you want them to be, because they are already their own person by the time they have entered into the womb. And then you think like, oh my God, what is going to happen to my reputation? My kid just said something or did something and meanwhile it is normal behavior. But we get so mental. Or how am I going to maintain my relationship with my spouse? And not just maintain because you cannot maintain, it either has to go up or it has to go down. Things don’t remain static. So I made a mistake now, now I have to apologize, how am I going to do that? I really don’t feel like it. It is like, oh my God, it is such a hammer on the head. And like this, these glaciers are like attacking us all the time, at the diavica, at the bowtica, at the atimica. And we are just trying to find relief from the suffering. So on a very low level, people take shelter of intoxication, illicit sex, gambling, and meat eating, and then those combine and evolve into more degraded activity. And in this way they are trying to squeeze some juice out of this machine of the mortar and pestle, which is pummeling us. And a little bit of a higher level one starts to act piously. You realize, all right, what you put out is what you are going to get back. So if I want to enjoy, if I want to receive goodness, I should do good. So then you start doing pious activity and then you start performing charitable activities. And then even the higher level you start following Vedic literatures, you start performing karmakanda, things like that. And then you learn, oh, there’s also heavenly planets where I can enjoy more than here. So then you pursue these things. And so about the Gita, Krishna is mentioning the yoga ladder, how graduate living entity can make elevation through the different stages of realization and activity, where karmakanda then realizing that I’m not really feeling the juice that I want to feel. What I’m getting is nice, but I want more, I want more. So we are like children who always want more. What they have is never enough, always need one more, one more. So the living entity wants more. So this is Krishna’s plan. Krishna has designed it like this to assist us in becoming free from our madness, because a mad person does not understand that he is mad, because all he knows is his madness. So how can he perceive the world other than from madness? How can he understand what a sane person thinks and feels and how they see the world? So this is our condition. So Krishna has very kindly arranged it like this, to assist us, to realize our madness and to free us from it. And so the living entity who then performs these pious activities for many lifetimes, they will come to the realization that something spiritual, that I’m still not feeling satisfaction. I’m doing everything pakka, but still there’s some emptiness inside of me. So they start inquiring a little bit more into their self, and they start renouncing the fruits of their work. So this is now Karma Yoga, where the results of the fruit of activities are being given up, but the duties are still being performed, and they’re deriving something more from this. So a little bit of freedom is coming. And after some time they’re thinking, why do I need to do all these things? If I am not this body, I actually have nothing to do with this body. And why do I need to then perform all the duties of this body? So this realization kind of is approached by the kind of hippie, new age type of people, but then they go to the other side where they just do whatever the hell they want, and they just degrade themselves further. But the person who has got actual realization then understands, so I need to then inquire what is then behind all of this? Who is this me that has nothing to do with this body? And this comes out of realization. This is not theoretical for this person. It’s actually in the heart this person has perceived this reality by following the rules regulations. And so then gradually he can come to the understanding that, you know, he’s Jiv Atma, he’s actually his spiritual, and he can perceive it also. So this is Brahman realization. So then gradually it goes up, Brahmati, Paramatmati, Bhagavan, Iti Shabjite, and so then after a while they perform some kind of tapasya, and they’re trying to distinguish within themselves themselves from their own internal subjective environment. And they’re trying to see like, you know, one process is they say, 19, 19, 19, not this, I’m not this, in the hopes that after they’ve eliminated everything they’ll find who they are. And through controlling the senses and directing all your faculties and energies onto the seat of the heart, one can perceive the Supersoul. And we understand that when the Bhakta takes a step further and he starts worshiping that person who he has darshan of, and he starts engaging in the relationship. So this is a long tedious process that happens over many, many lifetimes. But here a more natural approach to becoming free is being exemplified by Brahmat, where you simply take who you are right now, and you engage that totality in the service of the Lord. So in the pleasure to please the senses. So for me personally that works because I am a classic Kali Yuga resident. I’m lazy, I don’t like austerity, my heart is hard, I don’t like to follow rules, regulations, I don’t like people telling me what to do. So this works for me. I can be who I am, and I can engage that in personal service. I don’t have to follow rigid rules, every single thing I do, I don’t have to recall this list of things I need to observe and do and not do, it’s too hard for us. So here it says that the original purpose of the senses, of the living entity being awarded these senses was to please the Lord’s senses. And the nature of the senses is that it will enjoy and suffer. It will come in contact with something which is nice or not nice. That is its nature. So in the execution of devotional service with the senses, then the pleasure which gets derived from the senses tends to distract the living entity from the purpose of his activity. And then what happens is a subtle shift happens where your prayocha and your goal is not the pleasure of Krishna anymore, it’s the pleasure of your senses but you’re still performing the same activity. But already in your heart that contamination has entered, that desire for enjoyment is there. And then that can increase. I’ve often thought how is it when a living entity enters into the universe for the first time and they occupy a post like Brahma, how they fall down like that. And for me this is one way that makes sense. But it’s said that the nature of the external energy of the Lord is that when the jiva comes into contact with it, they have the tendency to become bewildered. So I find that very interesting how to say that this combination between the external energy and the jiva, you could say, statistically speaking, jivas forget themselves when entering into this realm. So if you want to be like, well, scientific, you could say it’s like, no, the majority of the living entities who enter into the space, this is what happens to them. So then somebody who wants to go, there’s like, so do you wish to go? Do you want to play Russian roulette? And all of us said, yes, please. And we did and we lost. So we are here but fortunately Krishna has a fail side because he knew this could happen and he has arranged it so nicely. And at the same time he’s also accompanied us to guide us on this path as well. So now the way to reverse that is by doing the same thing, is by engaging the senses in, pleasing the senses of the Lord. But I have no love in my heart. So how am I going to engage my reality in pleasing Krishna only? Because that is not where I am at right now. I want so many other things. So it’s like, it’s okay. You just follow the process for cultivating love of God. So this is the scriptures. This is Vaidi Sadhana Bhakti. We’re following rules regulations. And the goal of this is to come to the platform where you’re doing it out of love. So the purpose of it is not to perfect the observance of the rules regulations. This is called Nehemagraha. This is detrimental to Bhakti. Nehemagraha means following, this is a nectar of instruction, following rules regulations simply for the sake of following them. But you’ve not understand the purpose behind it. So you could say like complete blind following. So you will not progress. And then the opposite also Neamagraha is that you reject them and you just do whatever you want. So you have to act whimsically. So this is not beneficial. So we should try to avoid this. But at the same time, we should try and follow it as perfectly as possible because Krishna likes it when we follow his instructions. And not just him, but it’s his pure devotees who are saying this. This is actually Shila Rupa Goswami’s statement. So Krishna likes it when we try to follow the instructions of his pure devotees. So doing it because Krishna likes it. So no, we can do that and we get mercy like this. And there’s one key word which is said at the beginning of this chapter that when the Supreme Lord, it says that when he saw Lord Brahma’s non-deceptive practice of penance, he became very pleased. And this word non-deceptive really stood out for me, which means that they should be non-duplicity. Complete authenticity. That means that do not approach Krishna pretending that you have a motive other than you have. Krishna can always see it. We think that he can, but he can always see it. So in our heart, certainly we do feel, because we’re all here living in Mayapur, you don’t just come here at the womb, you know. My desire, we have been brought to Mayapur by the Lord’s mercy. So there is a desire to serve. So when we say, my Lord, I just want to be a devotee, it’s true. I don’t think anybody here, I can point a finger at and say, like, you’re lying. You’re cheating. That’s not true. So that is there. But what else is also there? It’s all these desires that we’re struggling to give up, that we want this whole list of things that we’re all aware of. So what should we do with that? So generally, the tendency that I have observed is that many devotees, they just push that aside, like, through the lock. All you need to do is chant, Prabhu. That’s all. I’m chanting my rounds, falling before Iked. So eating only Krishna Prasadam. But then, year after year, we see that the heart isn’t changing. So are we missing something there, you know? Is there perhaps something a little bit more we should do? Because I’ve wondered, like, why do we do this? And in my personal reflection, realization, I’ve come to understand that it is because we learn that the devotee is a certain something. We have this list of qualities of the devotees, but with Gita, we’ve got this divine and demonic qualities. We’ve got all these examples of what the devotee is and what the devotee is not. And because I’m a devotee, therefore, I’m all of these good things and all of these other things, I can’t be that, because I’m a devotee. Devotes don’t criticize. Devotes don’t. They don’t envy. Devotes don’t come under the control of anger. They free from lust and desire. So these things cannot be part of me because I’m trying to Hare Krishna and you just say the name of the Lord once and all your sins are purified. So therefore, this cannot be me, right? So we justify it. It’s like spiritual bypassing. But meanwhile, all of these things that we’ve locked away, they are factual, they’re real, they’re actually there. So what do we do with these things? How do we reconcile that we are actually far below our ideal? This is our ideal. We want to be this, but actually, I can’t go lower. I would if I could. We’re over there. So what to do? It’s a harrowing experience. So what you do is you just take that and you say, Krishna, this is all I have to give you. Because this is what I am, please accept it. And you submit yourself before him. Now we can’t do that to each other because we fear judgment. We fear ridicule. We fear being ostracized. We fear thinking that if people just knew how lusty I am, they would never want to speak to me again. I’d never get any service, you know? And we think Krishna is like that. So therefore, we don’t want to approach him because we think he will might treat us like this. It’s subtlety, it’s there. And why do we think Krishna is like that? Because Atma Vann Manyateja got, we perceive the world the reality according to the state of our own mind. So if we are full with judgment, we think others are full of judgment. Propos is if somebody is rascal number one, he thinks everybody is rascal number one. If somebody is full of faults, he thinks everybody is full of faults. Except me, of course. I’m not full of faults. I’m just doing a service to point out your mistakes to you humbly as your servant, Prabhu. And like that, we cheat ourselves. But we’re actually just projecting. And we do that to Krishna as well. We do that to Krishna as well. Now if somebody does that to us, the tendency is to become offended, we want to defend ourselves like, how can you say that? And this whole conversation ensues on my perform. But Krishna, he just has his classic smile. He’s always smiling. When he came to the ordinary, to the core of us to try and get peace, he was only but smiling. When all these things were coming to him, he was just, okay, okay, he got you. So we can go to Krishna, we can say, I have these desires and I’m really trying to give them up. And you know, there are these ones which I don’t think I can. I cannot give it up. Because my condition of madness is so severe that I’m holding on to things which are actually harmful for me, but I cannot let it go. I just cannot. I’m trying, trying, trying so many lifetimes, but I cannot give it up. Krishna, see, I’m still holding it, I’m standing right in front of you. The object of my desire, but look, I’m still holding on to this thing and it’s standing between me and you. So please do something about it. If you don’t, if you don’t, I have no hope. If you do not do it, I’m screwed. Because I’ve tried everything, nothing works. Only you can help me. So then Krishna, from within, he will then direct us back to the scriptures, he’ll direct us back to the devotees. He will direct us back to taking shout-in devotional service and continuing this prayerful mood, praying to Krishna, asking him for guidance and for purification. And at the same time, he will also give us the intelligence to seek help with these things. So one excellent way of going about this is to approach somebody who has overcome that same anarta. This process is an art in the Vriti, by the way. It’s an art in the Vriti and it doesn’t have to take a long time. It tends to take a long time, but it doesn’t have to take a long time. And so by trying to approach another person, another devotee for help, this is Sadhu Sangha. And when you’re talking about it, this is Ishta Ghoshti. You’re discussing spiritual subject matters, you’re discussing how to execute the instructions of the spiritual master, right, and probably instructing us, cooperate together, serve together, purify yourself, act for Krishna’s benefit only. So this is Ishta Ghoshti, we were talking about this, we’re revealing our mind, we need the association of the devotees, we cannot do it alone. So what does that mean, association, Sangha? So the etymology of the word Sangha, Saa, in this case means with, together with, and Anga we know it means limbs, it can also mean organs, like your heart, your lungs, like this. So this word Sangha is illustrating unity, like one is in purpose, like different limbs of the body, all working together for the same purpose. If the one part of the body gets injured, the other parts don’t criticize it, they step in to pick it up. This is Sangha, but if we are deceptive in our association, then you’re not having Sangha, when you show duplicity. One of the qualities of the Brahman is also non-duplicity, right, so we have to be authentic, we have to be real, and one completely, what’s the word? It’s a relief to realize that when you start doing this, you see like, wow, everybody is struggling with the same things that I’m struggling, everybody is struggling with anger, with you know, Pratishta, Kottinati, everybody is having these difficulties. So it’s like, wow, that’s so good. I don’t have to be someone else in front of the devotees, I can just be mean. Of course we should purify who we are, if who you are is like an obscene offensive person, then you can’t jump in between devotees and start, like start pointing fingers and being all nasty, you should be nice, you know, there is etiquette, but we don’t have to pretend that they’re not there. When you feel something, you don’t have to pretend, you don’t feel what you don’t. If you feel angry, it doesn’t matter, you can feel angry. It can even come out on your face, it always does, everybody can see it, or if you said something awkward, you know, everybody can see that, oh, he’s feeling awkward now because he said something silly and it’s not a big deal, you know, everybody is going to forget about it two minutes from now. So you don’t have to pretend, you know, that you’re not feeling. So generally we cut ourselves off from our feelings because this is what they’re saying here is, this is the Mayavadhi’s approach. We are Mayavadhi’s. I mean, you know, Nervishtaishu, Nivadhi, post-chate desha tari nai, pro-partists come to people like us to free us from our impersonalism and voidism because we try to kill the senses, kill our feelings because they are beneath us and I am transcendental. But we’re not so transcendental. Sometimes we are, some of us more than others, but many other times we fall short. We’re not as transcendental as we would like to be. But I’ll tell you what is transcendental is being real about it with yourself, with devotees and with Krishna. That is transcendental because that means you’re actually becoming detached from it. Fan is still turning, so it’s still going on, but you’ve detached yourself from it, right? And it’s an amazing liberating feeling. And if we do not do this, what happens is that these things continue on inside of us and it comes out like a boil. It starts swelling up, swelling up, you try to put your, so that nobody sees, you cover it up. And the next thing, just like explodes, right? And then you have somebody who just, he does something crazy. He does something like, I don’t know, he hits his wife or he steals some money or he falls down with another man’s husband or whatever things you can think of, which are usually considered quite severe. And then everybody thinks like, oh, how could this happen? How could this happen? This person is, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody has so much to say about it, but nobody’s thought about what is led to that. Nobody wakes up one day and he thinks that, oh, I’m going to shoot somebody. It’s something that has come over a long period of time that the boil has been festering and in devotee a community. That means that we’ve not revealed our mind to somebody. We’ve not revealed our mind to somebody saying, you know, I’m hitting my head against this problem again and again. You know that at home, my kid does this thing and it just makes me crazy. I just can’t stand it. I feel like I’m going to throw him out the window. And sometimes when I’ve shared with some people, some people go like, oh, and I check their reaction. He’s like, how can you say such a thing? It’s like, man, it’s what’s happening. It’s like, how can I not? And then other people who are more experienced in family life, they’re like, everybody feels like that sometimes. Don’t take it too seriously. And then, because I’m mental and mental people always go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So then I continue and then the person can pacify me because I reveal my mind and I allowed them inside. And then I kind of cleaning up a little bit and helping me out and then the cleaner it gets and I start perceiving it more clearly and afterwards, I feel, thank you, you know, and I get assistance from the devotee and our relationship gets more intimate because now we appreciate each other in a new way. So one appreciates other because, wow, he’s very sincere and look how he’s really trying and he has revealed his mind and the other one’s appreciating because, wow, look how he held me in the space and how he assisted me. So this is, this is amazing. This is what, what, what his con is meant for, to bring people together so that we can practice Christian consciousness together and help each other. So we need that. What is not helpful is this judgment which tends to fly around, which is typical Kanishtha mentality. Neo fights, they’re always looking for a new fight. They’re always looking for it. You know, we’re supposed to be nectar detectors, not drama detectors. So, and when we practice it, our devotional service, non-deceptively, like this, Krishna becomes very, very pleased. Krishna will shower his mercy on you and very quickly. All of these anarthas, they just go away. They just go away. They stop pasturing you. This is a fact, from our perspective, it might look like it’s taking long, it might look like nothing is happening, but we cannot perceive what’s happening inside, you know, because if after like 20 years of trying to go through these things, you’re still following your sadhana, you’re still joining, you still haven’t given up your ideal of living on a pure platform. That means something is happening. That means you’re cultivating the right thing. So, so we need a very clear, you know, sambhanda abhidaya prayojana. In the beginning of the chapter also, it was explained that basically Brahma didn’t know from where his lotus heat came, he didn’t have abhidaya, he’s sambhanda, he didn’t have knowledge of like, what is this, what is it connected to, he didn’t know how to create, or for what end to create it for, he didn’t have his abhidaya or his prayojana, and therefore he couldn’t do anything. So we need to be very clear on that, and so this is also why we have the Shrimal Bhagavatam classes that we have to hear frequently, so we get reminded of these things. And at the end of the day, the success of our devotional practice is not even to be pure, it’s to please Krishna, because one thing to be pure is also a selfish desire, but the probiotics say we should want to go back home to God, which kind of you could say is the same thing as we should want to be pure, because that’s what you need. But the goal is to please Krishna, it’s not to be a certain something or someone, it’s to please Krishna, and so even if we’re not doing everything perfectly, but we are sincerely attempting or endeavoring to do that, then we will get to Krishna. Krishna says himself, to those who are constantly endeavoring to serve me with love, I give them the understanding by which they can come to me. And we’ve heard many amazing stories of people who have never come into contact with devotees, but somehow or other they were practicing devotional service, and at some point in their life they come into contact with the devotee and they’re like, wow, wow, this is it, this is like, because within the heart Krishna is helping them. Krishna does not depend on anything, that means that he does not require a certain set of parameters to fulfill his mission, if he wishes to bestow his mercy on somebody, he can do it under any circumstance, under any circumstance, and in a mistake we could possibly make, Krishna has a contingency plan for, he anticipated this could happen, and he made a plan for that. So Krishna truly is our well-wisher and our only friend, and to really appreciate that and get into it, we really need to take shelter of each other, we really need to get shelter each other, we really need to drop all these pretenses, all this deception, this duplicity, and just be straight with each other. Of course we should be selective also because not everybody can handle the contents of your mind, but you should seek it out, you should pray to the Lord, because it’s not always easy to find, especially if we’re blind, it’s hard to see a person who’s like as sincere or at the same level as you, because we tend to be like, we’re trained to be defensive. So we should pray and we should seek it out, and Krishna will show you that association, and it’s such a relief, it’s so nice to be with. And if you do not have somebody in your life who can come to you and say, hey, you can’t do that, because you know, the property is this, or because, and that then you’re in trouble, you need to have a friend who can check you, not just your guru, or yes, Guru Maharaj, you know, but we only see him how many, how often, you know, how long at the time. But we need, we need his extensions, which comes through the devotees, his extensions through the association. And of this association, it’s said that the peer association, people on your equal, they, the majority of association should be there, because they can sausage other out very easily. It’s easy to see, like your, your friend can easily see your motivations. Like, come on, man, do your, do your kidding. Just drop it, you know why you’re doing that? Like, I can see, and it’s like, okay, okay. I’m doing that thing again, by making like that, yeah. So, so we should, we should take shout about devotees, and in this way, we can very nicely engage our senses for the pleasure of Krishna, and engage in devotional service, and we do it together, and then everything is ecstatic, you’re no longer alone, your problems is no longer this mountain that you have to carry, because you’ve shared it with somebody else, and they help you see that actually it’s not a mountain, because Logitani reduces it to a grain of sand, this is, this is so such a big mercy. We cannot calculate a mercy of Logitani, it is grossly underestimated, Logitani’s mercy. And I will end with that point, is that, that the mercy of Logitani is coming through all of these ways, in all of these ways. It says, katang shan sutayas vindus karam sukaram bhavit vibh, smhrita y vibhiritam siyat Sri Caitanya, the mamitwam, that if one, this is nichitanya shawitam rita, if one remembers Logitanya, things which are usually very difficult to do become very easy, but if one forgets him, the easy things become very, very difficult. So we’re in the land of Logitanya, and it is this, this Chetanya consciousness is so strong here, and all of us are super blessed to be able to live here in Mayapur, and to take advantage of this mercy, harkishna. Can you comment or questions from anyone, Madhyji? Hi, Krishna. Can you speak? I can’t hear you. Just speak into it. Hi, Krishna. Except my humble love senses. I like to class so much, and you gave so nice example of the practical, what we are going through. Sometimes it happens that in association, sometimes we are hurt, or somebody says something, even we try to be normal that time, but when we are trying to please Krishna or do some devotional service at that time, when we are praying, and we feel that we are praying for Krishna and we are crying for Krishna, but actually the realization is we are crying because we are hurt, and we are present before Krishna, and certainly there is a realization, oh, this tears are not for Krishna. I got hurt. That’s why the tears are coming in front of Krishna. So when we realize, oh, we undergo this phase, how to overcome that program? I think you kind of already said the answer, is that you came to Krishna, you were crying to Krishna, and Krishna helped you understand, oh, this is actually my, what’s going on. I’m actually crying for myself, and by being honest about that in front of Krishna, and then you can just, then just be, express that to Krishna, just say like, you know, like a child comes to the mother and says, oh, he said this thing to me. So if it’s something that you cannot overcome, like you might try to sit with it and think, okay, I’ll try and breathe, I’ll just try and forgive the person, I’ll apply my knowledge, and there’s so much that we can say to ourselves in council that, you know, we hear all the time, I’m a very sinful person, so I’m just getting a token reaction, it’s for my purification, it is, and as long as one is not thinking about criticizing the other person, and one is applying the focus on trying to overcome whatever an artha is there, then that’s great. And if you hit a wall and you feel that you cannot, then you go to the devotees, you share your mind with the devotees, you say like, you know, I know that I shouldn’t feel like this, or I know that I shouldn’t be offended because actually it’s just my pride that is hurt, and, but I cannot give it up, I’m trying, I’ve done this and this, but still this thing is there and I want revenge or whatever you might feel. And then that comes out in the open and then devotees can give you council, devotees will share and, and you can go to Krishna with that as well, yeah, it’s Krishna talks to us when we talk to Krishna, you don’t have to be advanced pure devotee to hear Krishna speak to you, it can come in the form of just spontaneously remembering a verse or just like suddenly you actually just see it and you’re like, oh, okay, that’s actually Krishna telling you, yeah, but sometimes it’s easier if we have a devotee who can speak and we hear it with these ears and then it comes in as well. So we actually have many options and this, and all of these things are just different ways of approaching Krishna, so you’re actually still doing the same thing, you’re approaching Krishna by approaching the devotees, you’re approaching Krishna by approaching Harinam, you’re approaching Krishna by approaching the scriptures or by going to the deity and praying. So I think, I think what you have said is fine and you just take that further and you just go back to Krishna with it and you understand the goal is I want this to go away, yeah, like that. Thank you, Guru. And I like the way that you said new fight, new fight, that what I like so much, thank you for that new things to teach us, thank you, Guru. Thank you, Guru, for this wonderful class. You mentioned a very important point, I felt like it connected with me, like you have to be real, be real. So Pruji, in my personal case, I’ve met many devotees who pose themselves as someone else, you know, like this is not his nature, why is he acting in this way, I can detect it, like literally I can detect it, he’s not like this, why is he behaving in this way. So how do we understand like this situation, like because when something comes in there in between their personal agenda or whatever goal they have to achieve with that way he’s behaving, something comes and they become, you know, like what you can say, like everything becomes imbalanced and then the actual nature, the real self comes out, you know. So how do we deal with this situation that we don’t become like this, that we are trying to be someone else, you know, and we try to be ourselves, you know, we are doing our service, I came here, I’m in Mayapur, let me do my service, I’m not some, you know, some ecstatic person or some high, like pure devotee, pure devotee syndrome like they have, you know. So how do we keep ourselves on the ground and just continue being real, like be ourselves, like this is there, this part is there with me, yes, yes, I accept, instead of, no, he’s the one who did it, he’s the one who did it, I didn’t do anything, instead of that, like it’s my fault. So how do we maintain this thing, like can you, like, with, by associating with devotees on an equal level, we, it comes out quicker because they can see it, you can see it, they might even point it out or you might see them seeing it and you know that they know that, you know they can see it. So it’s like, all right, might as well just drop the echoes, everybody knows, usually the person who’s pretending, they’re the only one who thinks that nobody can see, usually everybody can see, it’s funny how we think like that. So it’s not like a special skill or power to be able to see, that person’s being fake, because many people can see it, it’s, so, so the association is there. And also Botano Taco recommends that once a fortnight, so every two weeks, so you could say every kadishi, to take an honest moral inventory, introspection, that you actually check in your heart, what is there, what is inside, that it’s not just all external that we have to go inside and we have to see, good qualities, bad qualities, how have they been progressing, how are the weeds, you know going, you know, am I making progress, is the anger still the same, is it being reduced, you know, reflecting on these things that I did, you know, have I been changing my behaviour, so we have to take an honest moral inventory, it’s a reflect, an introspect, so Botano Taco is recommending this and the purpose of that is so that we can enhance our service to Krishna, so that I can put a higher quality of love into my saver, so that’s a nice motivation, so I think there’s already two, and that can also go back into your sangha, where you’re sharing your introspects and your realisations and reflections, and then of course coming to Bhagavatam class, reading, you know, pro-pods, and I think also one, I think the best way of instantly just dropping everything is you go for Harinam San Kirtan, because when you are dancing in ecstasy in Kirtan, and you are looking around you and you’re seeing the devotees dancing in ecstasy, you cannot find one single fault in any of those devotees, it’s not possible because they do not exist in that moment, because they’re all transcendental, completely, Hariho, so go for Harinam San Kirtan, you know, come chant, or go and give it to others, you know, every day they’re doing Harinam here outside the TRBP office, and it’s just incredible, it’s incredible, you feel so much inspiration, and then you also get to see who you really are, and then you get to see who you usually are, and you think like, wow, that guy’s lame, who I am is actually pretty good, you know, so, and when that suit comes back on, then you just like, it’s just my conditioning, and but it’s not me, so I don’t need to identify with it, you know, it’s like I’m bald, so whatever, you know, it’s my conditioning, it’s like, it can be as trivial as that, we don’t need to take it so seriously, yeah, it’s a nice question, thank you.
