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Explain how the seemingly contradictory aspects of Lorenz's rule, which suggests organisms with dangerous weapons avoid intraspecific fights, can coexist with the principles of behavioral evolution, where population fitness is not always maximized. What underlying ecological or evolutionary mechanisms might resolve this paradox?
Explain how the seemingly contradictory aspects of Lorenz's rule, which suggests organisms with dangerous weapons avoid intraspecific fights, can coexist with the principles of behavioral evolution, where population fitness is not always maximized. What underlying ecological or evolutionary mechanisms might resolve this paradox?
Lorenz's rule can coexist with non-maximized population fitness in behavioral evolution due to factors like frequency-dependent selection and kin selection, where individual strategies that reduce direct conflict may still be evolutionary stable despite not maximizing overall population fitness. These strategies can arise when avoiding costly fights benefits individual or kin survival and reproduction, leading to stable behavioral patterns.
Delve into the complexities of the handicap principle within the context of sexual selection. Describe the scenarios under which ornaments fail to honestly signal quality, leading to deceptive signaling. How does the disruption of the condition-dependent or revealing nature of these handicaps undermine the reliability of mate choice?
Delve into the complexities of the handicap principle within the context of sexual selection. Describe the scenarios under which ornaments fail to honestly signal quality, leading to deceptive signaling. How does the disruption of the condition-dependent or revealing nature of these handicaps undermine the reliability of mate choice?
Ornaments fail to honestly signal quality when they are not condition-dependent or revealing handicaps. If ornaments are easily acquired regardless of an individual's genetic or physical condition, they become unreliable signals. Disruption of condition dependence or revealing nature allows males to cheat by signaling dishonestly, making the ornaments no longer reliable indicators of good genes or overall quality.
How do mating systems influence the expression of sexual selection, and what are the implications for the evolution of sex role asymmetries? Further, discuss the challenges in experimentally distinguishing between different hypotheses of female preference, considering the potential for multiple mechanisms to operate synergistically.
How do mating systems influence the expression of sexual selection, and what are the implications for the evolution of sex role asymmetries? Further, discuss the challenges in experimentally distinguishing between different hypotheses of female preference, considering the potential for multiple mechanisms to operate synergistically.
Mating systems influence sexual selection through variations in mate competition and mate choice opportunities, leading to sex role asymmetries where one sex (typically females) is limited by energy investment and the other (typically males) by mate availability. Experimentally distinguishing between hypotheses of female preference, such as direct benefits, sensory biases, and good genes, is challenging due to the potential for multiple mechanisms to operate in parallel, requiring careful experimental designs to isolate individual effects.
In the context of the models of Fisherian sexual selection, what are the key problems in Fisher's runaway selection, and how are these problems addressed by models incorporating good genes? How do these models account for the persistence of costly mating preferences and the maintenance of genetic variation in male traits?
In the context of the models of Fisherian sexual selection, what are the key problems in Fisher's runaway selection, and how are these problems addressed by models incorporating good genes? How do these models account for the persistence of costly mating preferences and the maintenance of genetic variation in male traits?
Contrast the effects of queen control and local mate competition on sex ratios in eusocial insect colonies, taking into account the distinct perspectives of the queen and the workers. What are the implications for relatedness in the colony, and how does it affect the levels of social control?
Contrast the effects of queen control and local mate competition on sex ratios in eusocial insect colonies, taking into account the distinct perspectives of the queen and the workers. What are the implications for relatedness in the colony, and how does it affect the levels of social control?
Elaborate on the Euler-Lotka equation. How is it used to estimate lifetime reproductive success incorporating both survival probabilities and age-specific fecundity? Distinguish its utility compared to simply using $R_0$, and how do reproductive values further refine our understanding of fitness across different life stages?
Elaborate on the Euler-Lotka equation. How is it used to estimate lifetime reproductive success incorporating both survival probabilities and age-specific fecundity? Distinguish its utility compared to simply using $R_0$, and how do reproductive values further refine our understanding of fitness across different life stages?
Differentiate between conservative and diversifying bet-hedging strategies, highlighting their respective advantages in stable versus fluctuating environments. What challenges exist in recognizing and studying bet-hedging traits experimentally, and why?
Differentiate between conservative and diversifying bet-hedging strategies, highlighting their respective advantages in stable versus fluctuating environments. What challenges exist in recognizing and studying bet-hedging traits experimentally, and why?
In the context of game theory, how does the structure of interactions, such as conditional cooperation and punishing/policing mechanisms, promote cooperation? Explain the role of nonrandom interactions, specifically kin interactions, in stabilizing cooperation in populations, referencing Hamilton's rule.
In the context of game theory, how does the structure of interactions, such as conditional cooperation and punishing/policing mechanisms, promote cooperation? Explain the role of nonrandom interactions, specifically kin interactions, in stabilizing cooperation in populations, referencing Hamilton's rule.
Describe the concept of the 'phenotypic gambit' as articulated by Alan Grafen. Under what conditions is this approach valid, and when is it necessary to incorporate genetic details to understand evolutionary adaptation adequately? Provide examples of scenarios where neglecting genetic considerations would lead to incorrect conclusions about the adaptive value of a trait.
Describe the concept of the 'phenotypic gambit' as articulated by Alan Grafen. Under what conditions is this approach valid, and when is it necessary to incorporate genetic details to understand evolutionary adaptation adequately? Provide examples of scenarios where neglecting genetic considerations would lead to incorrect conclusions about the adaptive value of a trait.
Considering the dynamics of metapopulations and habitat selection, discuss the concept of the ideal free distribution (IFD). What assumptions must be met for the IFD to hold true, and how do deviations from these assumptions (e.g., unequal competitors) affect the distribution of organisms across habitats?
Considering the dynamics of metapopulations and habitat selection, discuss the concept of the ideal free distribution (IFD). What assumptions must be met for the IFD to hold true, and how do deviations from these assumptions (e.g., unequal competitors) affect the distribution of organisms across habitats?
Explore the complexities of allocation trade-offs in life history evolution, specifically concerning reproduction and maintenance. How do experimental manipulations of resource allocation, such as altering extrinsic mortality rates, illuminate the relationship between reproduction, maintenance, and senescence? What are the implications for understanding the evolution of lifespan?
Explore the complexities of allocation trade-offs in life history evolution, specifically concerning reproduction and maintenance. How do experimental manipulations of resource allocation, such as altering extrinsic mortality rates, illuminate the relationship between reproduction, maintenance, and senescence? What are the implications for understanding the evolution of lifespan?
Describe the key distinctions between semelparity and iteroparity, and evaluate the conditions under which each reproductive strategy is favored, considering both ecological and energetic factors. Why is Cole's paradox considered paradoxical, and how does it contribute to our understanding of the evolution of perennial life strategies?
Describe the key distinctions between semelparity and iteroparity, and evaluate the conditions under which each reproductive strategy is favored, considering both ecological and energetic factors. Why is Cole's paradox considered paradoxical, and how does it contribute to our understanding of the evolution of perennial life strategies?
Within the context of optimal foraging theory, how do currencies such as energy uptake, energy gain, and energetic efficiency influence the foraging decisions of animals? Explain the trade-offs between maximizing gross gain versus maximizing efficiency, and provide examples of ecological scenarios in which each strategy would be favored.
Within the context of optimal foraging theory, how do currencies such as energy uptake, energy gain, and energetic efficiency influence the foraging decisions of animals? Explain the trade-offs between maximizing gross gain versus maximizing efficiency, and provide examples of ecological scenarios in which each strategy would be favored.
Assuming Albatrosses are well evolved for a life of perpetual soaring, what ecological conditions would select for different wing morphologies? Specifically, contrast the selective pressures favoring high-lift wings versus dynamic soaring wings, considering trade-offs in maneuverability, efficiency, and sensitivity to stall.
Assuming Albatrosses are well evolved for a life of perpetual soaring, what ecological conditions would select for different wing morphologies? Specifically, contrast the selective pressures favoring high-lift wings versus dynamic soaring wings, considering trade-offs in maneuverability, efficiency, and sensitivity to stall.
Discuss how the interplay between structural constraints and functional demands shapes the design of avian limbs, using the leg as a case study. How does the positioning of the center of mass and the modulation of leg curvature influence the energy efficiency and locomotor performance of birds versus mammals (e.g., humans and horses) during locomotion?
Discuss how the interplay between structural constraints and functional demands shapes the design of avian limbs, using the leg as a case study. How does the positioning of the center of mass and the modulation of leg curvature influence the energy efficiency and locomotor performance of birds versus mammals (e.g., humans and horses) during locomotion?
Critically evaluate the role of frequency-dependent selection in stabilizing polymorphisms within populations. How does the sinistral/dextral feeding specialization in scale-eating cichlids exemplify this phenomenon, and what mechanisms maintain the balance between the two morphs over evolutionary time?
Critically evaluate the role of frequency-dependent selection in stabilizing polymorphisms within populations. How does the sinistral/dextral feeding specialization in scale-eating cichlids exemplify this phenomenon, and what mechanisms maintain the balance between the two morphs over evolutionary time?
Consider the trade-offs inherent in foraging behavior, particularly between foraging and vigilance against predators. How do pairwise invisibility plots (PIPs) help to analyze strategies that balance these competing demands, and what information can be extracted from such plots regarding the stability of resident populations against mutant invaders?
Consider the trade-offs inherent in foraging behavior, particularly between foraging and vigilance against predators. How do pairwise invisibility plots (PIPs) help to analyze strategies that balance these competing demands, and what information can be extracted from such plots regarding the stability of resident populations against mutant invaders?
Contrast Tinbergen's four questions (ultimate vs. proximate) with the optimality paradigm in the study of adaptation. How do these two approaches complement each other in providing a comprehensive understanding of evolutionary phenomena?
Contrast Tinbergen's four questions (ultimate vs. proximate) with the optimality paradigm in the study of adaptation. How do these two approaches complement each other in providing a comprehensive understanding of evolutionary phenomena?
In light of the increasing recognition of complex social interactions beyond male-female dynamics, what is social selection as defined by Roughgarden? How does this concept broaden our understanding of the selective forces shaping intraspecific interactions, and what new avenues does it open for exploring evolutionary processes?
In light of the increasing recognition of complex social interactions beyond male-female dynamics, what is social selection as defined by Roughgarden? How does this concept broaden our understanding of the selective forces shaping intraspecific interactions, and what new avenues does it open for exploring evolutionary processes?
What is Hamilton's LMC model (Local Mate Competition), and what key assumption differs from Fisher's standard sex ratio arguments? How does Hamilton's LMC contribute to understanding the evolution of female-biased sex ratios in inbreeding species?
What is Hamilton's LMC model (Local Mate Competition), and what key assumption differs from Fisher's standard sex ratio arguments? How does Hamilton's LMC contribute to understanding the evolution of female-biased sex ratios in inbreeding species?
Flashcards
What is ecology?
What is ecology?
Study of living organisms and their interactions.
What is evolution?
What is evolution?
Change in inherited traits in a population over generations.
Natural selection
Natural selection
Traits helpful for survival become more common.
Ultimate questions
Ultimate questions
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Proximate questions
Proximate questions
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Optimality paradigm
Optimality paradigm
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Marginal value theorem
Marginal value theorem
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Lorenz' rule
Lorenz' rule
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Hawk strategy
Hawk strategy
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Dove strategy
Dove strategy
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Evolutionarily stable strategy (ESS)
Evolutionarily stable strategy (ESS)
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Foraging vs. vigilance
Foraging vs. vigilance
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Pairwise Invisibility Plots (PIPs)
Pairwise Invisibility Plots (PIPs)
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Intrasexual vs. intersexual selection
Intrasexual vs. intersexual selection
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Reproductive division of labor
Reproductive division of labor
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Sexual conflict
Sexual conflict
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Sexy son mechanism
Sexy son mechanism
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Good-genes sexual selection
Good-genes sexual selection
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Variation in quality
Variation in quality
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Sex Allocation - Successful theory
Sex Allocation - Successful theory
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Equal allocation principle
Equal allocation principle
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Hamilton's LMC model
Hamilton's LMC model
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Trivers and Willard hypothesis
Trivers and Willard hypothesis
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Queen-worker sex ratio conflict
Queen-worker sex ratio conflict
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Diet choice problem
Diet choice problem
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Patch choice problem
Patch choice problem
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Fitness currencies
Fitness currencies
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Natural selection and fitness
Natural selection and fitness
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Concept of fitness
Concept of fitness
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Semelparous
Semelparous
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Iteroparous
Iteroparous
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Cole's paradox
Cole's paradox
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Reproductive value
Reproductive value
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Geometric mean fitness
Geometric mean fitness
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Conservative bet-hedging
Conservative bet-hedging
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Diversifying bet-hedging
Diversifying bet-hedging
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Life hisory
Life hisory
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Cooperation
Cooperation
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Prisoner's dilemma.
Prisoner's dilemma.
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Snowdrift game
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Stag Hunt game
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Study Notes
- Ecology studies living organisms, their interactions, environment, abundance, and distribution.
- Evolution changes inherited traits in a population from one generation to the next, involving genotypic and phenotypic diversity.
- Natural selection makes helpful traits more common for survival and reproduction, while harmful traits become rarer.
Tinbergen's Four Questions
- Ultimate questions focus on function (adaptation) and evolutionary history (phylogeny).
- Proximate questions investigate causation (mechanisms) and individual development (ontogeny).
Darwin's Theory
- Intraspecific competition (struggle for existence) always exists.
- Fitness differences determine survival and reproduction capacity.
- Fitness differences are heritable.
- Population composition shifts towards improved adaptation, increasing fitness.
Optimality Paradigm
- Explains adaptations in terms of fitness maximization (Sewall Wright).
- Uses a 'proxy' for fitness in practical applications.
- An approach that involves:
- Specifying available option set (strategies) through information and constraints.
- Deriving fitness consequences using currency (proxy for fitness), trade-offs and cost-benefit analysis.
- Finding the optimal solution using optimality criterion (fitness maximum, ESS).
- Comparing observed behavior with optimal behavior.
- Improving the optimality model.
Marginal Value Theorem
- Determines which value of t maximizes 'yield per time,' where yield per time corresponds to the slope.
- To find the value of t maximizing yield, locate the line with maximal slope.
- Optimal time can be found graphically when 'yield per time' is maximized.
Sinistral Fish Example
- Sinistral fish have a sinistral beak, enabling easier eating on the right side.
- Frequency-dependent selection causes generation oscillations around an 'evolutionary stable' ratio of 1:1.
- Lorenz' rule states: organisms with dangerous weapons avoid using them in intraspecific fights.
- Population fitness explanation: reduction in population fitness occurs, but behavioral evolution cannot maximize population fitness.
Maynard Smith's Hawk-Dove Game
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Hawk strategy: aggressive.
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Dove strategy: peaceful.
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The variables:
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V: value of resource.
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D: cost of getting injured.
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pH: proportion of hawks.
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Fitness of hawks calculation: pH × (-1) + (1-рн) х 6.
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Population with only doves has the highest fitness, but hawks can invade it, search for uninvadable strategies.
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An evolutionarily stable strategy (ESS) is a strategy S* that cannot be invaded by any mutant strategy, meaning F(s*,s*) > F(s,s*) for all S is not s*.
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Unique ESS in hawk-dove game: pH = V/D =6/8 = 75%, this explains Lorenz' rule.
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Fitness equality at ESS: FH(PH) = FD(PD). p stands for proportion represented by p hat.
Simple Games
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An evasion game, scale-eating cichlids with PÄ€ = 0.5 (first square)
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A coordination game, PA = 0.5 is fitness equilibrium, but not an ESS.
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The game has two ESS's, either no one does A or everyone does A.
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Example: driving on the right or on the left side of the road with PA = 0 or PA = 1.
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Pairwise interactions can be described by payoff matrix.
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Frequency dependence (playing the field) often occurs in more diffuse forms.
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Inevitable trade-off exists between foraging and vigilance (looking out for predators).
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S* represents the strategy (e.g., vigilance time) of the resident population.
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S stands for the strategy of a mutant.
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F(s,s*): represents fitness of mutant in resident population.
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Evolutionarily stable strategy has F(s*,s*) > F(s,s*). In an s*-population, resident individuals (playing s*) have higher fitness avoiding mutant strategies invading.
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Pairwise Invisibility Plots (PIP) is used.
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In case of 2 or 3 strategies (e.g., Hawk-dove) fitness graphs with intersection points of fitness functions are analyzed.
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In case of continuum strategies (e.g., vigilance game) pairwise invisibility plot (PIP) is analyzed.
Frequency Dependent Selection (23/2 Lecture)
- Potential reasons why the model fails:
- Behavior is not yet optimal due to environmental changes, evolution can't keep up.
- Evolutionary problem is not adequately represented (predation, social dominance, mate choice are not taken into account).
- Currency chosen is no adequate representation of fitness (energy uptake, energy gain, efficiency).
- Constraints not adequately represented (information, storage capacity).
Plausible Proxies for Fitness
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Energy uptake per time unit (gross gain)
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Energy gain per time unit: g(t) = net energy gain
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Energetic efficiency: s(t) = energy spent
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The approach to optimally allows testable predictions to be derived, focusing on the benefits and costs of phenotypic trait values
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It provides information on the currency being optimized by selection and the available options and the constraints
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Reverse engineering
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To maximize F(s), the fitness of an individual using strategy s
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when fitness is contingent only on one's own behavior
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Often however , the fitness is also determined behavior of others where Frequency dependent selection is used
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Fitness is calculated as F(s,s*), where s* is the strategy of others
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Ideal competition is when competitors are ideally (e.g. perfectly informed about the environment) and free (i.e. able to move instantaneously without costs)
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Competitors divide themselves so that the intake rate is equivalent to all habitats to maximize fitness is reached using a habitat matching rule for their behaviour
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In an ideal distribution the densities d is that various habitats matches the profitability's P of these habitats
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Selection always does not lead to a fitness peak
24/2 Sexual Selection
- Male and female individuals can look different until classified as distinct species Many traits that have diverged between the sexes sometimes hinder survival
- Evolution proves an individual's competition for access to economical opportunity also improves an individuals access to mating opportunities
- Biologists use the term sexual selection like kin selection or group selection it is a component of natural selection
- Broader perspective (Roughgarden): other kinds of intraspecific interactions, besides those between males and females, can be important as well, social selection.
Historical Perspectives
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Darwin's first ideas focused on the male perspective.
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Fisher created the first verbal model of female choice evolution.
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1940-1975 was considered a 'dark age' of sexual selection research.
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1985-1995 brought theoretical consolidation and the first empirical tests.
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Factors that control competitive success on the mating market often differ for males and females.
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Reproductive division-of-labor states that one sex (typically females) is limited by the energy investment into offspring, so mate quality is more important than quantity.
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The other sex (typically males) can potentially produce many offspring, so mate availability limits its reproductive success.
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Sex role asymmetries can be more or less pronounced, based on the mating system, but most species follow the typical pattern:
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Intrasexual selection (male-male competition)
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Inter-sexual selection (female choice)
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Some species have exhibit sex-role-reversal which are excellent for testing sexual selection theory.
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Distinguishing intra and intersexual selection is useful conceptually, but reality can blur the lines.
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Female elephant seals provoke fights between males through cryptic female choice.
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Many sexual signals serve a dual function: communicating with rivals and potential mating partners.
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Male-male contests choose for improved sensory capacities and locomotor action, in order to succeed in scramble competition
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And for weaponry, increased body size and fighting strength, for those who may succeed in competitions
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The morphological, physiological and behavioral adaptations that make a male successful in male-male competition sometimes need a high degree of specialization, creating opportunities for males to employ alternative reproductive tactics.
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Female choice selects for elaborate morphological ornamentation and behavioral displays in males and strong mating preferences in females. -Studies suggest that female preferences are labile: losses of elaborate male traits are frequent and widespread and female preferences for these male traits can be reduced, lost or even reversed.
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Males and females share a evolutionary interest in the production of offspring, but their options for maximizing reproductive success may be incompatible.
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It Creates a potential for evolutionary conflict between sexes, sexual conflict. being choosy can provide benefits that directly promote female survival or fecundity.
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choosiness should be referred to as a a reluctance to Mate and is a counteradaptation to harassment by males
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weak preferences which have direct benefits or resulting from sensory biases can become greatly exaggerated.
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accereleararing runaway occurs when trade and preference genes are strongly generally Associated
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rapid depletion in genetic and male variation and no maintain of costly makeup preference
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quality has a complex genetic basis and is subject to frequent deleterious mutations so some variation a long males will always be maintained result is a persistanr benefit of a choice ti compensate ti for for costly mating Preference
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Good genes can only work if Ornaments are either condition dependent or revealing handicaps Other wise males can cheat by signaling dishonestly
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In addition the process varies on a continual influx of variation in quality
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sexual selection differs to the advantage which certain individuals have over other individuals of the same species sole in respect of reproduction
25/2 Lecture: Sex Allocation
- Easy to quantify effect on fitness.
- Relatively simple to model.
- Sex ratios are easy to measure.
Aristotle's Contributions
- Aristotle (322 BC) noted that pigeons lay a male egg and a female egg with a day's interval.
Early Perspectives on Sex Allocation
- John Arbuthnot (1667-1735) argued polygamy is against natural law and justice.
- Charles Darwin (1871) mentioned natural selection could shape offspring sex ratios in "The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex."
Fisher's Genetical Theory
- Ronald Fisher (1930) stated total reproductive value of all males equals all females because everyone has one father and one mother.
- Individuals of the rare sex have higher reproductive value.
- Parents producing the rare sex gain advantage and higher fitness.
- Sex ratio becomes a stable equilibrium with equal allocation.
-Where the variables are; -Vf = reproductive value of daughter -Vm = reproductive value of son -S = sex ratio (proportion sons) -Then calculate equal total RV: (1-s) Vf = SVm or: vm = (1-s)/S X Vf equilibrium: vf = Vm
Cost Analysis
- Ef = cost of making a daughter
- Em = cost of making a son
- Determine ratios
- Then derive principles where S* em = (1-s*) ef is equal allocation principle and unequal costs
Hamilton's Observations
- Hamilton (1967) noted female-biased sex ratios in inbreeding species.
- Fisher's assumption of population-wide random mating occurs.
- Local competition between sons drives selection for female-biased sex ratios.
Hamilton's LMC Model
- Several notes; -N unrelated females oviposit in same patch -Offspring mate randomly -Mated daughters disperse
-An extra son (and a daughter less) improves related males to compete for fewer mating opportunities.
Trivers and Willard's Idea (1973)
- Parents vary in state (condition, size etc.), and parental state affects fitness of sons and daughters differently.
- Parents should overproduce the sex that benefits most from the current state.
Charnov and Bull's Model (1977)
- Created a mathematical model.
- The green line represents the bang-bang theory that goes from one side to the other.
- Queen-worker sex ratio conflict is seen as usually haploid/diploid.
- The ratio Queen's optimal is (daughters : sons) should be 1:1. Workers' sisters is more important with the sister and brothers ration being Workers' optimal : (sisters : brothers) 3:1.
Critique
- Includes queen control and local mate competition better explanation
- Workers close to brother under polyandry
- When queen singly mates, there are way more daughters, with their daughters are closely related to queens.
Lectures from 26/2 on Foraging
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The diet choice problem involves what to accept and not to accept as food like (large vs small caterpillar)
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The patch choice problem involves flying further for a larger prey or flying close for smaller choice
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Choosing between high or low variability; giving which the awards is the varience sensitivity
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Where the variables are -Energy gain : esmall < elarge -Handling time: hs = hL -Profitability: e/h -Search time: ST
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Accept all small prey when (es / h) > eL / (h+STL) which the profitability of small prey is largerthan including the search time for small prey
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Never accept small prey when (es / h) < eL / (h+STL)the STS affects prey but not STLs
Then The Patch Choice Problems are analysed
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When to Leave. Where the variables have.
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Maximum Gain / Time analysis
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How more they have to travel prey to how longer they stay at the preys
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Choose close or close or far/ or far and is for large prey
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Steeper prefer is the more preferred where they prefer they small prey, it the Prey but Close
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What should a foraging animal aim
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Then we should ask how to maximize collection and time and what it wants to maximize and minimize.
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Currency’s in foraging is Gain/Time •Minimizations on Time of Total Collection Maximization (gain - cost) / time what is total collection
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Which that means that we also have The Cost
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How do we get Efficient The Efficiency on (gain - cost) / cost is time that we need and matters.
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Walking costs less energy than flying (is the cost in foraging currency).
Important point
The thing to find out is when the fitness proxy is the same in different currencies
And R (reward) for Currency’s when its is the same or in Everything that happens.
Variables
CF -Flying CW -Walking
-When you look at Gain (total), its not just how much food per Time matters and the E values in the Equations the want to just Maximize’s there Gross Gain
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When they are wanting their maximums, they always want Cost(time and the Vertical Purple)
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How does the slope compare where to the 2 types, and there Net Gains. Is the process a time to leave, or to stay with a long time in waiting.
Walking and flying are currencies. How is this predicted in there Net Gain?
Titration Procedures
The number of flight requirements per request R
The numbers of runs with that request R
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Forced cycle; Binds do both options once in a cages that are set
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For a Choice Cycled Are bind that can choose twice on a time
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