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According to Neville Noronha, what is the primary driver of CAGR growth rate for Avenue Supermarts?
According to Neville Noronha, what is the primary driver of CAGR growth rate for Avenue Supermarts?
- Improved private label sales
- Accelerated e-commerce growth
- Accelerated store additions (correct)
- Increased GMA contribution
What is Neville Noronha’s perspective on increasing GM and Apparel contribution to previous levels?
What is Neville Noronha’s perspective on increasing GM and Apparel contribution to previous levels?
- He intends to have them increase to the same levels as pre-COVID
- He anticipates that they will stabilize at slightly lower levels (correct)
- He expects them to far exceed pre-COVID levels
- He does not comment on financial targets
What does Neville Noronha identify as the biggest threat to Avenue Supermarts in the long run?
What does Neville Noronha identify as the biggest threat to Avenue Supermarts in the long run?
- Increasing competition from e-commerce
- Supply chain disruptions
- Dilution of customer perception and brand value with scale (correct)
- Rising wage inflation
What is Avenue Supermarts' current strategy regarding private labels, according to Neville Noronha?
What is Avenue Supermarts' current strategy regarding private labels, according to Neville Noronha?
What is Neville Noronha's long-term vision for talent within Avenue Supermarts?
What is Neville Noronha's long-term vision for talent within Avenue Supermarts?
What approach does Avenue Supermarts take with its DMart Ready e-commerce business, according to Neville Noronha?
What approach does Avenue Supermarts take with its DMart Ready e-commerce business, according to Neville Noronha?
What is Neville Noronha's perspective on the impact of quick commerce on Avenue Supermarts' metro store revenues?
What is Neville Noronha's perspective on the impact of quick commerce on Avenue Supermarts' metro store revenues?
According to Vikram Dasu, how does DMart Ready utilize the data it generates?
According to Vikram Dasu, how does DMart Ready utilize the data it generates?
According to Neville, why might it be difficult for modern trade to sell fresh fruits and vegetables?
According to Neville, why might it be difficult for modern trade to sell fresh fruits and vegetables?
What does Neville Noronha state about the future direction of DMart Ready in large towns?
What does Neville Noronha state about the future direction of DMart Ready in large towns?
According to Niladri Deb, what level of like-for-like growth was delivered?
According to Niladri Deb, what level of like-for-like growth was delivered?
According to Niladri Deb, at what level was the Revenue from Sales per Retail Business Area sq ft in FY '24?
According to Niladri Deb, at what level was the Revenue from Sales per Retail Business Area sq ft in FY '24?
What is the EBITDA margin that Avenue Supermarts delivered in their stand-alone business?
What is the EBITDA margin that Avenue Supermarts delivered in their stand-alone business?
What was the return on capital employed (ROCE) for Avenue Supermarts?
What was the return on capital employed (ROCE) for Avenue Supermarts?
What was the sales increase delivered by Avenue E-commerce?
What was the sales increase delivered by Avenue E-commerce?
What is the intended strategy to deal with an overflow store with very high throughput?
What is the intended strategy to deal with an overflow store with very high throughput?
Is it the strategic intention to offer convenience in the DMart Ready service offering?
Is it the strategic intention to offer convenience in the DMart Ready service offering?
You can deduce from the information, that what will the Dmart Premia revenues be?
You can deduce from the information, that what will the Dmart Premia revenues be?
Can any company parachoute the same business model as Dmart easily?
Can any company parachoute the same business model as Dmart easily?
The company has not added any new state. But in which of these regions do there appear to be deals in place?
The company has not added any new state. But in which of these regions do there appear to be deals in place?
What makes you win in a DMart model?
What makes you win in a DMart model?
What is considered key in e-commerce?
What is considered key in e-commerce?
What does having more stores lead to?
What does having more stores lead to?
What is the general view on large scale?
What is the general view on large scale?
What has to be in order for someone to perceive the value of private label?
What has to be in order for someone to perceive the value of private label?
It was previously indicated the business model has this trait: ________
It was previously indicated the business model has this trait: ________
During COVID the habits changed. What specifically shifted?
During COVID the habits changed. What specifically shifted?
What must be done before new people will visit?
What must be done before new people will visit?
The stores make revenue by going about:
The stores make revenue by going about:
As opposed to that other one, which can edge you based on:__________
As opposed to that other one, which can edge you based on:__________
Can scale make some problems if not solved?
Can scale make some problems if not solved?
As you operate, what does mix tell you?
As you operate, what does mix tell you?
At this level, it's better to have what kind of price?
At this level, it's better to have what kind of price?
Dmart is mostly into:
Dmart is mostly into:
These are areas in which there are great opportunities due to?
These are areas in which there are great opportunities due to?
What is a constant theme to improve things?
What is a constant theme to improve things?
Which of these is NOT a reason for the company to have a private label?
Which of these is NOT a reason for the company to have a private label?
This will be a key driver of this operation?
This will be a key driver of this operation?
The other areas have been:
The other areas have been:
Who are people targeting as a goal in the product category?
Who are people targeting as a goal in the product category?
What is the primary strategy Avenue Supermarts is employing for store expansion?
What is the primary strategy Avenue Supermarts is employing for store expansion?
What is DMart's approach to dealing with stores that have very high throughput?
What is DMart's approach to dealing with stores that have very high throughput?
How does Avenue Supermarts view the balance between value and convenience, particularly in its e-commerce operations?
How does Avenue Supermarts view the balance between value and convenience, particularly in its e-commerce operations?
Considering the limitations of a DMart brick-and-mortar store, which capability is better delivered by the digital space?
Considering the limitations of a DMart brick-and-mortar store, which capability is better delivered by the digital space?
What is Neville Noronha's perspective on achieving a 15% to 20% CAGR growth rate for Avenue Supermarts?
What is Neville Noronha's perspective on achieving a 15% to 20% CAGR growth rate for Avenue Supermarts?
What is the intended approach to private labels, according to the transcript?
What is the intended approach to private labels, according to the transcript?
Among the categories at DMart what is something that you can deduce about Apparel?
Among the categories at DMart what is something that you can deduce about Apparel?
What is the general sentiment on Home Delivery?
What is the general sentiment on Home Delivery?
What are views on the mini max format?
What are views on the mini max format?
In looking at Dmart from a 10-year review, how does that alter any of the perspectives?
In looking at Dmart from a 10-year review, how does that alter any of the perspectives?
What needs improving over the next few years in the current context?
What needs improving over the next few years in the current context?
In the instance scale is not properly executed this can:
In the instance scale is not properly executed this can:
What can you infer on what triggers change in Dmart?
What can you infer on what triggers change in Dmart?
For expansion, when looking at distribution center addition related to state entry, can you infer?
For expansion, when looking at distribution center addition related to state entry, can you infer?
If adding two lots of 400 stores, but in new market. What do you infer?
If adding two lots of 400 stores, but in new market. What do you infer?
What is seen is that in apparel?_____
What is seen is that in apparel?_____
Which type of e-commerce model can lead to better convenience?
Which type of e-commerce model can lead to better convenience?
How do you get products to get onto a shelf?
How do you get products to get onto a shelf?
How do you know how well private labels are doing?
How do you know how well private labels are doing?
In the current context, what is something that you can deduce about the company?
In the current context, what is something that you can deduce about the company?
How far out is the long term?
How far out is the long term?
Which business is comparable to FMCG?
Which business is comparable to FMCG?
How small can pharmacy be?
How small can pharmacy be?
What has been happening through all of this time?
What has been happening through all of this time?
Can a customer shoplift in the stores?
Can a customer shoplift in the stores?
Flashcards
Beginning of investor call
Beginning of investor call
Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Avenue Supermarts Limited Investors Conference Call.
How to ask a question
How to ask a question
Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Avenue Supermarts Limited Investors Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode and anyone who wishes to ask a question may enter star and one on their touchtone phone. To remove yourself from the queue please enter star and two.
Expansion Strategy
Expansion Strategy
The principle is more of the same - try and open as many stores in existing markets.
Approach to E-Commerce
Approach to E-Commerce
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Store Opening
Store Opening
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Like-for-like growth
Like-for-like growth
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Total Retail Space
Total Retail Space
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Revenue Per SqFt
Revenue Per SqFt
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EBITDA
EBITDA
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Profit
Profit
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Payables and Inventory
Payables and Inventory
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Fixed Assets
Fixed Assets
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Inventory Ratio?
Inventory Ratio?
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Sales growth %
Sales growth %
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E-Commerce Growth
E-Commerce Growth
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Apparel Recovery
Apparel Recovery
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E-Commerce Strategy
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Brick and Mortar
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More Stores?
More Stores?
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Metro Revenues Impact
Metro Revenues Impact
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How more throughput can be achieved
How more throughput can be achieved
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Private Labels
Private Labels
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Income and private label
Income and private label
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How branded companies doing
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Philosophy
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Leadership view for the companies
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radius reduced
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Consumer tend to persist
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area increase
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GMA
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Net gain
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Product Delivery
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Study Notes
- Avenue Supermarts Limited held an Investor/Analyst Conference Call on July 30, 2024.
- The call was hosted by Rushabh Ghiya.
- Participants included National Stock Exchange of India Ltd. Corporate Communications Department, and BSE Limited Corporate Services Department
Key People on the Call:
- Neville Noronha, Managing Director and CEO of Avenue Supermarts Limited.
- Ramakant Baheti, Group CFO of Avenue Supermarts Limited.
- Niladri Deb, CFO of Avenue Supermarts Limited.
- Vikram Dasu, CEO of Avenue E-commerce Limited.
- Rushabh Ghiya, Investor Relations, Avenue Supermarts Limited.
Business Overview:
- The key product categories are generally the same as previous years
- The previous year was a period of consolidation
- Concerns around general merchandise and apparel have decreased
- A smart product recovery in the second half of the last year was observed, although numbers have not yet fully reflected this
- GMA (Gross Merchandise) has decreased from 23.04% to 22.37% in the first quarter, but is expected to recover.
- The company does not expect to return to 28% or 27% GMA, with a broad trend line around 23%.
Expansion Strategy:
- The company continues to focus on cluster-based expansion, opening stores in existing markets.
- The company also remain open to entering new states, regions, and cities
- Given the choice, deploying capital in existing markets is preferred.
- 41 stores were opened in the past year.
- The new stores are performing well.
DMart Ready (E-commerce):
- The current year focuses on consolidating and testing previous actions
- A conscious decision was made for DMart Ready business growth to be slower
- The focus is on fixing the model, ensuring correctness and achieving high throughputs in existing cities.
Store Additions:
- 41 stores were opened in the past year.
- The company aims to maintain similar store opening numbers in the future.
- No forward-looking statements are given regarding exact store numbers.
- The company aims to open equal to or more stores, but numbers depend on store opening factors.
Financial Performance:
- 30.3 crores bill were cut in the past year.
- Like-for-like growth was 9.9% for stores open more than 24 months.
- Total retail space reached 15.1 million square feet at the end of fiscal '24.
- 1.8 million square feet of new retail space was opened in the current year.
- Revenue from sales per square foot was INR 33,000 in FY '24, close to FY '20 (INR 32,879).
- Revenue from operations totaled INR 49,533 crores in stand-alone business.
- EBITDA margin reported as 8.3%, amounting to INR 4,100 crores.
- PAT (Profit After Tax) reached 5.4%, or INR 2,695 crores.
- Net cash flow from operations reached INR 3,343 crores.
- Inventory days came to about 29, and payables to 7.1 days, similar to pre-COVID levels.
- Equity is about INR 19,281 crores..
- Fixed assets turnover ratio was about 3.6 and inventory turnover ratio of about 14.6
- ROCE (Return on Capital Employed) was 19.1%, marginally lower than FY '23s
- Return on net worth was about 15.1%.
- Sales grew by 18.4%.
- There was a gross margin reduction of about 37 bps
- A PBT (Profit Before Tax) reduction of 43 bps was seen, mainly from gross margin slides
- Consol sales improved by 18.6% or INR 50,789 crores and PAT delivery of 6.6% growth.
- Avenue E-commerce sales rose by 31.7%, close to INR 2,900 crores with a loss of INR 185 crores
- Avenue Food Plaza sales came to INR 177 crores with a loss close to INR 6 crores.
- Align Retail Trade sales rose by 44% to INR 2,800 crores of sales
- Align Retail Trade generated a PAT of INR 33 crores
Q&A Highlights:
- Food segment gained as a percentage of total mix due to food inflation i.e agriculture
- Previous year apparel has recovered due to smart leadership and team
- FMCG (Fast moving consumer goods) companies in the HPC (Home and personal care) space will likely take a hike in FY25
- DMart Ready model is robust and the company is seeking to get more and more revenue from larger cities.
- There is emergence between DMart's model, ability to deliver, and market expectations
- Tier 3 cities might be deprioritized for DMart Ready, while smaller towns still have a desire for brick-and-mortar stores
- Over the next 2-3 years, average stores opened should go to 60 to 70 per year
- The opening of 40-50 stores every year is ready and deliverable, subject to local permissions
- Impact of quick commerce in major cities is not really related store operations
- Roadside sellers need stop selling fruits, and vegetables for brick-and-mortar to profit from fresh produce sales
- DMart has already reached 70-80% on our journey in apparel.
- Apparel is very talent driven and individual driven
- Focus is on basic clothing that is fashionable
- Salience is not expected to move back to the 26-28% levels for GM and apparel.
- Secular trend to focus on more food, FMCG and groceries where is lower margin will increase as stores mature
- Increasing the number of larger stores is very important
- Any store that can generate 20 crores a month will be fine, and more stores will open
- All comments for the present year, and are subject to change
- Private labels will play out more when India is at a USD7,000 - USD8,000K capita income.
- The company wants to pass profits to the consumer and provide value.
- The company is thinking about how we want the business to be 10 years from now and who we need to have
Store Additions Strategy:
- DMart has projected 40-45 stores for the year.
- DMart's capability as of last year was we can even open 60 stores per annum
- One must buy out the land, and this is substantial investment..
- 40-45% of deliveries happen within 12 hours
- 86% of deliveries happen within 24 hours
- The sales of blindfolded stores are telling me that I am selling too much on the wrong brand
- Dmart is value and a little uncomfy as opposed to Quick Commerce (QC)
- Dmart feels the the need to create and play on value from Digital Space
- Lots of data from DMart ready is used used to improve input and internal metrics
- There too little else that can do with data beyond making sure that what we are spending is useful.
Future Outlook and Guidance:
- Some improvements will be reflected in the P&L of the organization.
- As a goal for the business, DMart wants to be between 14% and 15.5% gross margin.
- It's exactly the opposite of what we used to say earlier because the numbers prove e-commerce
- Now its better in Home delivery, Whatever in the past is getting better and better
- DMart Ready stores will have to be relooked so that they can come to reality.
- Customers who use the Dmart service 2 to 3 time stick becuase the people groove with the business
Additional Points:
- Increasing opportunity will increase definitely, the more new stores open
- The company has moved to 40 to 60 from 10 to 15 over the past 7 to 8 years
- The way to tell is to base decisions to invest on the business quality's PKD, as shelf number over time
- Distribution centers have increased 48 to 62 but are not predictors of new locations
Q&A from Call participants
- Capital commitments, INR2,100 crores versus INR3,600 crores Y-o-Y
- Capital commitment is a fair indication over budget costs that will be created over 2 to 3 years
- Home delivery share used to be 50%, whatever in the past is getting better
- Want to maintain margin and efficiencies will pass down to customer to be most competitive.
- Value is a much bigger part of the the market compared to convenience
- 200 sq ft is not good enough for a dark store.
- Dmart wants to be thought of that's separate from its brick and mortar set up
- The company wants the digital name to be worth something and have value
- Baskets have been maintained and is a continuous process. Team is catching trend.
- Footfall goes up the more sales go up in stores -Minimax cannot be easily put with digital commerce at 200 sq ft
- The value of Private label stands out at 30 percent.
- The company tries try not to put energy into what cannot turn into an EBITDA or PBT target There were 2 people involved with with the call from Centrum Broking, Prabhudas Lilladher Private Limited, and Sunidhi Securities & Finance Limited.
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