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Full Transcript --- Donald Trump and Joe Rogan (\#2219) https://youtu.be/hBMoPUAeLnY Oct 26, 2024, 12:20 AM One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn\'t play it because it could get copyright strike and we don\'t want to get the episode, we don\'t want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down, but it was the episode of you when you were on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you were running for president, and you sat, you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump. Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss, Joy Behar gives you a big hug, Barbara Walters gives you a big hug, they all loved you, they were all talking about how you might be conservative in your ﬁnancial positions, but you\'re very liberal socially, they were talking about you in such a favorable light. The audience was cheering, and then you actually started winning in the polls, and then the machines started working towards you, but there\'s probably no one in history that I\'ve ever seen that\'s been attacked the way you\'ve been attacked, and the way they\'ve done it, so coordinated and systematically, and when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah\'s show, she was encouraging you to I did one of her last shows, I think maybe Thursday or Friday, that was a big deal being on Oprah\'s show, the last one, and I was like one of the last shows in that last, that ﬁnal week, and I said, boy, we\'ve come a long way since that. What was it like? Well, the concept, it was really like two different lives, you know, I had a very wonderful life, but I wanted to do this, The Apprentice was still going very strong, we had 12 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)You canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct? No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it, I was involved in that, and I had enough of it, and we did great, it was doing great, but they wanted me to stay, they all came to see me, they said, we\'re going to give you a contract, they wanted to extend my contract, Mark Burnett is a great guy, and they wanted to extend the contract, Mark said you\'re crazy, don\'t run, don\'t run, nobody gives up prime time, they said, you know, it\'s one of those little things, which is probably true. Nobody gives up prime time, though, for being president? For running, well, for running against 20 some odd people, you know, turned out to be 18, 18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians, they said, who would do this, I mean, it\'s a long shot, actually, the heads of NBC came over, Paul Talegny, all the top people came over to see me, try and talk me out of it, because they wanted to have me extend, The Apprentice was doing well, so it was 14 seasons, it was 12 years, which we had one, two seasons where we had a double, which rarely happens, it was just a hot show, and I said, you know, I want to do this, what happened is, previously, like, three years, four years before that, they did a poll, they had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll, and I blew everybody away, I blew him away, which isn\'t that hard, frankly, but I blew everybody away, and I said, that\'s interesting, because I never really gave it that much real thought, I thought about it, but never real thought, but I saw these polls were very good, and so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice, plus I was building two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got ﬁnished up properly, and it was one of those things, the kids were just sort of getting involved, they\'re very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on, so I did that, I got them done, I had some very good successes, and I came on, and then I thought about it for the next one, after the Romney disaster, and I ran, and I won, against Hillary, and it was quite an experience, but it was a different life, because you\'re right, the view, I was in the view many, many times, and they loved me. Just the way people would talk, I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn\'t like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that, but the reality was, the thing turned on you, when they found out that you were going to be president, it was very coordinated, and some people are catching on to that now, there\'s a lot of people that were longtime Democrats, like Elon, and Bill Ackman, and all these different, very intelligent people. 2:58:49 This is what I wanted to ask you, what was it like, when you actually got in, because nobody really can prepare you for that, when you\'re running for president, you don\'t really know what it\'s going to be like when you actually get into oﬃce, what was the, what did you think it was going to be like? In oﬃce, or when I decided to run? No, when you got in. When I was in, so when I was in, and won, and was in the White House, essentially. Well, ﬁrst of all, it was very surreal. It\'s very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn\'t surreal. That should have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying, you were hit all over the place, because there was so much blood from the ear. You would know that better than anyone, when they get the ear torn up. Ears bleed a lot, yeah. Anyway, so, and I was thinking the other day, when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said I wasn\'t hit anywhere. With the presidency, it was a very surreal experience, okay? What\'s day one like? **Joe Rogan** You win, you get inaugurated, holy shit, I\'m the president. Yeah, that\'s what happened. So I\'m driving down Pennsylvania Avenue, I just built a building on Pennsylvania, you know, the hotel, the old post oﬃce it was. We called it Trump National Hotel. And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria. And it was a wonderful thing. But I\'m driving down, I\'m passing the hotel. 2:58:49 beautiful. I mean, it was incredible. And we\'re going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction. You know, normally you\'re used to going one way, and all of a sudden you\'re going the other way. The street was loaded up. And I wanted to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn\'t smart. You know, the kids, a little bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you watch, like, Kennedy and some others, right? But I really felt, I don\'t know, the love was so crazy. And so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk. I thought it was very important to do. And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple. It was, people loved it. And Barron, and we\'re walking down the street. But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House. And now it\'s a little bit, a little bit before dark, beautiful. And we went up to the president\'s quarters. They call them the presidential quarters. And I\'m standing in this beautiful hallway. You know, it\'s funny. Nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it\'s going to be, everything\'s going to be all metal doors and stuff. It\'s not. It\'s so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The hallway is, like, 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are, you know, every, it\'s so beautiful. But I was standing there, and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom. I\'d heard about the Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife. I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom. I mean, it was like, it was, it was amazing. Because it\'s, look, if you love the country, but here you are, the Lincoln bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall. He was six foot six, which then would be like, like Barron. It would be like Barron Trump. He\'s six nine. But six foot six. He was very tall. Then on top of that, he wore. There it is. He wore that. Yeah, there it is. It\'s a long bed, elongated bed. And because very, you know, people were shorter than. You see some of the chairs are very, very 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg Address. And this is the original. And I\'m looking and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because I was never a ﬁrst. So even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician. It just I sort of just started. Right, right. And all of a sudden, I\'m standing in the White House. And it was very, very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me, when I looked at the bed and the bed, you could see it was a little bit longer, had to be a little bit longer. He lost his son and they suffered. The two of them suffered from melancholia. They didn\'t call it depression. They called it melancholia. And they suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy. And she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Ted, Ted. And it was just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture. And you can\'t see the details. They\'re a little tiny. Everything, though, was a little tiny picture of Ted, who he lost. And it was devastating. And he was you know, he was look, he was in a war. He was he was and he was having a hard time because he couldn\'t beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee won like 13 battles in a row. And he was getting like a phobia, like a ﬁghter, you know, not about the ﬁght stuff. But like I went to a UFC ﬁght and it was a champion who was 14 and one about a year ago. You would know the names 14 and one. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy. But the guy that he was ﬁghting was like almost just an average ﬁghter, lost numerous times. So I said, OK, I really don\'t know who you\'re talking about. I will ﬁgure it out. OK, but about a year ago. But the point is that he lost. 2:58:49 And I said, I\'ll take the guy that won the other ﬁght. And that\'s what happened. He beat him a second time. Sometimes psychological. It was a crazy thing. Lincoln had a I don\'t know. I\'ve never read this. I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with the whole life of the White House. But Lincoln had the yips about in a way, as the golfers would say, he had a phobia about Robert E. Lee said, I can\'t beat Robert because Robert E. Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out of, you know, they tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the north. But he said, no, I have to be with my state. You know, the state was his whole thing. And he went to the south and he was I\'ve had generals tell me we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years. And we did it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee. In terms of strategy, strategy, strategically. He took a war that should have been over in a few days. And it was, you know, years of hell, a vicious war. And so here I am standing there. And again, I had never really done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number of months before I won. I probably, I guess if you ﬁgured max it out, it would be a year, something like that. So I had never run for oﬃce. And I did well. I mean, I went into debates. We had 18 people, including me. And then slowly but surely, they started to disappear. We had debates, good debates. 2:58:49 What did you think it was going to be like in terms of like your ability to govern? Yeah. Like this is your ﬁrst experience governing anything. You\'ve never been a mayor. Yeah, private stuff. Business. Yeah. But now all of a sudden, you\'re inside the White House. The biggest thing was just that ﬁrst moment of being in this hallowed\... It was really a hallowed place to me. It was surreal. It was beyond\... To me, that was the experience. It was a surreal experience. And then with time, that wears off. With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. And I was doing a lot of\... I had two things that I really focused on, governing the country and survival. Because from the moment I won, before I got to oﬃce, all of a sudden, I mean, they came down. I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way. And you see that. I mean, you see we\'re in the Washington Post very early on. They said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts. And it did. I mean, it literally started from the beginning. So I had survival and run the nation. I had a combination. Most people don\'t have the survival. They get in. What did you expect, though, in terms of, like, once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people? How many appointments did you have to make? 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments. So you\'ll appoint a secretary of state, and he or she will appoint a lot of people. So it\'s a lot. But in terms of major ones, you probably have like 100. But they\'re big ones. Treasury, state, military. And how did you know who to appoint? Well, I didn\'t. I had no experience. You have to understand. So I was there 17 times in Washington, and I never stayed over, according to the press, which I think is probably right. Over the years, I was only there 17 times. I never stayed over. So now I\'m sitting there. I\'m saying, this place is gorgeous. But I don\'t know anybody. It\'s like you. You go to certain areas, and other areas, they may be great. Washington was great. Washington\'s not so great right now. They\'re going to, we got to ﬁx it. We\'re going to make it better. A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We\'re going to make it great. We\'re going to make it better. We\'re going to bring it back. But I wasn\'t a Washington guy. I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder, and I built buildings in New York. And I knew that whole world. But I didn\'t know the Washington world too well. And all of a sudden, you\'re supposed to be appointing top people. So what did you think it was going to be like? Versus like, did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like? And what was different? Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor. I was a donor. I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed politics. **Joe Rogan** Mostly Democrats, right? 2:58:49 You were a Democrat until, like, what year? I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact. But the early 90s, the early 90s, I switched over eventually. Actually, they had a Reform Party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while. But then fortunately, I didn\'t because it\'s very hard. You know, it\'s a two-party system. And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. And so do I. He\'s a fantastic guy. I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense. It doesn\'t work because even if you do great, you\'re not going to get Congress. In other words, you need now to say, OK, now I\'ll get half of Congress. They\'re never going to vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he\'s now with us. But it\'s pure and simple. It\'s a two-party system. And somebody, I won\'t mention his name, but somebody spent \$250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere. You get eaten. You just get eaten. The system eats you alive. So it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in the oﬃce of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you\'ve had 92% were politicians, and 8% were generals. General Eisenhower, General Washington, right? General George Washington, you had generals. So it\'s 8% generals, no admirals, 8% generals, and 92% politicians. You know, they\'re politicians and they go on. So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn\'t elected to an oﬃce. They were all, like Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor, but he became the governor of California for, I think, two terms, and then he ran. So you\'d never had a thing like this. But in terms of me, and sometimes I\'d use it as an excuse, and I don\'t like having excuses, actually, but I\'d use it as an excuse. I had to rely on people that I respected or liked, but that I didn\'t know that well, because I didn\'t know them that well. Some of those people I campaigned against, because when you have 18 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)And I\'d rely on them and I\'d rely on other people. So all of a sudden, people would come in, I\'d like to recommend so-and-so to be Secretary of State, and I\'d have three, four people recommend. One thing I can tell you, Joe, everybody wants the position. Of course. No, no, but sometimes I\'ll hear, a lot of people don\'t want to work with Trump, because Trump is tough to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody wants to be any one of these positions. They\'d die for it. Of course. Now, they don\'t want to be known. I mean, there\'s a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very big, very successful, very strong, very political, although he\'s not a politician. He\'d give anything to be Secretary of State, but if they ask him, no, I don\'t think I would do it, but in the meantime, begging for it, okay, begging. I believe you. Look, everybody wants it. By the way, no matter what you do, but it\'s very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician, because a politician\'s been basically vetted for years. You pick a business guy, and they\'ve never been vetted at all, and they\'re the head of a big company or something, but they\'ve never been vetted. You know nothing about his personal life. You know nothing about where he\'s been. When you put them in, it\'s a little bit dangerous, because all of a sudden, they get checked up, and you hear things that you say, wow, this is not going to work out too well. So, it\'s very dangerous. Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous. So, you\'re kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people, and then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system. And they\'re stiffs, in many cases. They\'re stiffs. They\'re survivors. I ﬁnd that, you know- What do you mean by stiffs? When you say stiffs- Stiffs, they have nothing. Or, they\'re smart and survivor. One little thing. So, there was a congressman, years before I ran, and I was very close to him, and I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license. But it was a little bit controversial, the license, this particular thing that was being licensed. But I was close to this guy, and helped him in everything else. And I went to him. I said, I\'d like to 2:58:49 to help. And anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time, and ultimately didn\'t do it. And I said, you are a stiff. You could have done this thing so easy, et cetera. But it was controversial. He was in Congress for many years, like 28 years. And you know, there\'s a reason when somebody\'s there for 28 years, you\'ve got to be sort of smart. You know, you have all the scandals, and I realized he was a survivor. And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion that\'s outside of it. And yet, I don\'t disrespect him for it. I actually respected the guy more in a certain way. Because he did survive. You know what? He\'s been there for 28 years, and he made it through. A lot of people don\'t make it through. It\'s a good way for non-exceptional people to survive. It certainly is. So you\'re in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make. So you\'re getting advice from people. And at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices? Like, some of these people I shouldn\'t have had in there. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)The one mistake. Because I had a lot of success. Great economy, great everything. Everything was great. We, the military, we rebuilt it. Biggest tax cuts in history. All this stuff. We did it. We had a great presidency. Three Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young. This way, they\'re there for 50 years, right? So, you know, even if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes they never have a chance. I had three. It was sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people. I picked some great people, you know, but you don\'t think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn\'t have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn\'t have picked. Neocons. Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people or. **Joe Rogan** People that were just bad. People that were into the. Because you got bad advice. Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you reading about them a little bit today, a guy like Kelly, who is a bully, a bully, but a weak, a weak person, you know, you know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. But, you know, he\'s bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I\'d go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know, John Bolton, a friend of mine called, called me up. I was picking Bolton. He\'s a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruﬃn. He\'s a very rich guy from Las Vegas. One of the he\'s a great card player. He doesn\'t play cards, but he\'s a great player. You know, he\'s just a natural got poker sense, right? You know, good old poker sense. And Phil Ruﬃn is, is a very, very wise kind of a guy and very one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people. 2:58:49 Now he wasn\'t in politics at all. He\'s in various businesses. He said, he\'s a bad guy. He\'s just, it always works out bad with that guy. I said, oh man, I wish you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired him. You know, he\'s here and, and he was right. But, but he was good in a certain way. He\'s a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man, Trump\'s going to go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They should have never done it. I used to say it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity than other people. And I didn\'t, it wasn\'t like I was trying. In fact, I don\'t know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me. Oh, I could deﬁnitely tell you. You said a lot of wild shit. Maybe. You said a lot of wild shit. CNN in their, all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular and they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn\'t agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that\'s him. That\'s really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don\'t know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It\'s very diﬃcult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these pre-planned answers. They say everything. It\'s very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it. One of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball. Like you get out and you do these huge events and you\'re just talking and you\'re making, we\'ve highlighted you on the show many times where you, when you did this Biden impression where he\'s walking around, he doesn\'t know what he\'s doing. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)It\'s standup. It\'s funny stuff. But it\'s like you, and you\'re making fun of Elon one time, you\'re doing an Elon impression. It\'s great. You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary, you\'d be in jail. Like that\'s great timing. But it\'s like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like no one had done that. You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you\'re doing this business. This is a very dangerous business. First of all, it\'s a very tough business when- It\'s the most dangerous business. Yes, the most. Well, for a job? Yes. **Joe Rogan** I mean, other than going to war and being a ﬁreﬁghter or being a cop, it\'s the most dangerous business. It\'s the most dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous. Especially you. I mean, you haven\'t even got to the election. There\'s been two assassination attempts. And they\'ve brushed those out of the news like it was nothing. Yeah, they\'d rather not talk about them. Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right. How they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to ﬁgure out some way to blame you. If there was a tax on- If Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it. But I think he\'s in good shape because it\'s only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what\'s happened, look, I\'m for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China. Nobody took in 10 cents. Not one other president. I do things that make it- I mean, that don\'t 2:58:49 Iran was broke. I told China, if you buy, you can\'t do business in the United States under any circumstances. I was going to- We\'re going to go cold turkey with China. Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you\'re not doing business. I said that to many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money. But I make myself, you know- I mean, I understand what I\'m doing. You make yourself a target. And it\'s a very dangerous business. But if you just look at statistically- So I said a thing. I don\'t know if it\'s right. But one-tenth of one percent for a race car drive. Yeah, it\'s a pretty dangerous business, right? Yeah. One-tenth of one percent for a bull rider. I tell you, to me- You\'re talking death? These guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. These guys, you see these big monster bulls, and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head. If it hits him, the guy\'s gone. But they die. You know, they die. So one-tenth of one percent die, are you saying? Yeah, one-tenth of one percent die. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly, really. I mean, they can\'t walk after a certain period of time. But with a president, if you look at- The amount of assassination attempts. And attempts, too. And attempts. No, it\'s a very dangerous position. I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it. You know, you don\'t tend to- Do you just assume because people love you on The Apprentice, they were going to love you as a president? I was thinking it would be so easy. You know, it\'s very interesting. Well, it probably would have been if the media didn\'t attack you the way they did. If they didn\'t 2:58:49 loved me. I mean, some of these women, they\'re so stupid. And Joy, every time she\'d see me, like I\'d be in the theater or something, and she\'d say, you have to be on the show again. Come on, come on. Let\'s go. We have to- She loved you. She loved me. **Joe Rogan** That episode where- By the way, Whoopi- People should watch that episode just to see what we\'re talking about. Like I said, we don\'t want to get a copyright strike, so we\'re not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it\'s bananas. It\'s like an alternative universe. And it\'s only- But Whoopi- Nine years ago. **Joe Rogan** Whoopi loved me. Loved you. Gives you a hug and a kiss. And how about that other one, the new one on there, the one from my administration? She writes me a letter, you\'re the greatest president. She leaves. You know, she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)She\'s on now currently. Sits in the far right-hand side, whatever the hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter. She\'s quoted in the paper. He\'s a consequential. He was the greatest president. Bah, bah, bah. Then all of a sudden, she goes in the view. She started hitting the hell out of me. Because they won\'t hire her unless- I\'ve had many people go on CNN and they call and said, I don\'t know what to do. They want to pay me a lot, but I have to be negative on you. I said, be negative. That\'s okay. There are guys on like CNN, they won\'t hire them. Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired. He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never put him on. I mean, I respect what he did. He could have gone, you know, negative. I tell people, go negative. You know, let my friends make the money. Well, it\'s just- It\'s so crooked. The press is so crooked. **Joe Rogan** It\'s crooked, but it\'s also, they\'re diminishing themselves. They\'re hurting themselves. They\'re killing all their credibility. And it\'s opening up the credibility to new media. It\'s opening up the credibility to independent media. All these- The worst I\'ve ever seen though, and I\'ve seen the worst. I mean, I\'ve been a part of it. I\'ve been, I\'ve seen the worst. Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn\'t give. It was so bad. And 60 Minutes took the answer out. They took the whole, and they put another answer in. **Joe Rogan** They edited it deceptively. Which didn\'t make sense either, but it was better. They took the, well, it wasn\'t editing. It was 2:58:49 words and change them around. Or they might even take a sentence or two off, which is very bad. But that\'s, it\'s sort of bad. You know, I\'d give an answer, which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave. You know, I like to- Yeah, you like to weave things in. But when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave, look at this. Just in this one thing, we\'re talking about little pieces. Uh-huh, gotta get back home. No, no, it comes back home for the right people. For the wrong people, it doesn\'t come back home, and they end up in the wilderness, right? But they can take my answer. And you know what? They may take a little piece of it out or something. And they use the term, yes, we want to save time. Well, it\'s not, but I\'ve never heard. I think it\'s the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What happened to CBS? So you have CBS 60 Minutes. That\'s a news program. It\'s not an entertainment program. It\'s under their news. It\'s the head of their news thing. She gives an answer that shows that she\'s essentially incompetent. And they took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me? **Joe Rogan** We can show it if you want people to see it. No? We get in trouble? We\'ll get copyright strike? Okay. I\'ll indemnify you. But it\'s drastic. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)Somebody made a big mistake. Somebody put that preview out there. Some kid put the preview out. And then the bosses did this or that. And then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem. And then- They got caught by mistake. Well- But don\'t you think that\'s a big\... To me, and don\'t forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it\'s 60 Minutes. It\'s their news division. So they give- It\'s a big deal. They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should pay a fortune. They\'re worth a fortune. They give them out for free because they\'re using the public airwaves. With cable, you don\'t have that. Cable is different. But it\'s just a different deal. But with the networks, they give those license- They\'re worth billions of dollars. They give them out free. But you have to be honest and all. That was bad. I think that David Muir and that woman that was aside, I never even heard of her. But they kept interrupting me. I said, how many people am I debating here? I got this one, and I got you two. But he went after me 11 different times. You know, it\'s interesting. I always thought he was a nice guy, but he\'s just like the rest of them. Well, that\'s his job, unfortunately. And I\'m sure- No, but not when they\'re wrong. You\'re right. Well, the problem was they fact-checked you, and they didn\'t fact-check her. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones. There\'s a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? 2:58:49 of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed. But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it\'s going to be a real debate, you have to fact-check everybody. If someone says maybe she thought there was no, which is also a problem. So it\'s one of two things. It\'s either it was not true, it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite. **Donald Trump** It was ignorance, which is also terrible. Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no, crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear that one? Crime has gone down. I mean, I\'m debating with this guy, but I\'ve had that- Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that, that showed that crime had gone up substantially. And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics, they didn\'t include some of the worst places. They didn\'t include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right. But I haven\'t gotten- You turn out to be right, but then there\'s another problem. Unreported crime is way up because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they\'ve done this defund the police bullshit. The morale of these poor cops, it\'s fucking horrible. It\'s the dumbest idea of all time. But what they\'ve done is they\'ve made these cops feel terrible, like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It\'s like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say, carpenters fucking suck. But they don\'t suck. Most of them are great. And that\'s the key thing with cops. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)A lot of crime, like you call the cops. They\'re too busy. They can\'t even get to you or your house got broken into. Sorry. You know, it doesn\'t even make a report. There\'s a lot of people that they just give up. **Donald Trump** It\'s so sad what\'s happened. And I\'ll tell you what, I go to police funerals and we went to one in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island, a very big deal. It\'s so dangerous. People don\'t realize the car, dark windows, pull over. He\'s a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens. Guy comes out ﬁring. Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they\'re not, they can\'t, you know. They still wouldn\'t have time. It\'s every cop\'s ﬁrst nightmare. They open a door and he was killed and his partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don\'t have, I mean, you don\'t even have an eighth of a second to think. And it is such a dangerous job. That in particular, think of it. You go up to a car, you don\'t know who\'s sitting there with a gun. And if they have a gun, you really don\'t have a chance. You\'re not allowed to have your gun out, by the way. Yep, they\'re very strict rules. So, number one, they\'re in it. But even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and bullets start ﬁring out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It is such a dangerous profession. And it\'s very hard to get cops now because they\'re not given any backup. And you\'re right. You know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that\'s going to change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they\'re going to end up with a front page of every newspaper in 2:58:49 And here\'s another thing that people don\'t talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. You know, I\'ve talked to a ton of cops about it. And, you know, a lot of cops commit suicide. But we have to give them back their dignity. We have to. We can\'t. We just have to give it back. You said it so good. You never hear anybody say that. You\'re never going to have it perfect. You\'re going to have a bad apple. In everything, in every profession. But every time there\'s a bad apple, that gets massive publicity and it taints everybody. **Joe Rogan** But it\'s also this very irresponsible thing where people say defund the police, get rid of the police. You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It\'s a very stupid way to look at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through. **Donald Trump** She was a big part of defund the police. That was a big thing for her. Defund the police. Well, it\'s a political idea. Anybody with that political thought, I don\'t think should be running for president. And I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we\'re doing pretty well now. I don\'t know. Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that. I was wrong. 2:58:49 wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change. Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants. That\'s right. In detention. That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. But she was in favor of it. Yes. So think of it. Now she changed. She\'s changed 15 policies. In fact, I\'m going to send her a MAGA cap. **Joe Rogan** She stole your idea about no tax for tips. I came up with this idea that honestly, nobody ever heard of. And now it took her two months. But you know what? All of us caught ﬁre. And she just put it into a little speech. Well, I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But now we have a lot of good issues. You know, we had the other day. Think of how simple some of these things are. We\'re trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough. It\'s been a disaster. They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)They\'ll be unsellable in the United States. And they just announced they\'re not going to build the plant because they think I\'m going to win. Think of it. They\'re not going to build the plant. This was the biggest plant in the world. It would have more than all of Michigan makes. That\'s how big. You know, this is what we\'re getting to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I\'m going to tax those cars at the rate of 100% or 200% apiece so that you won\'t be able to sell them in the United States. They just announced they\'re not going to build the plant. I did a big favor for our country by doing that. And I\'m not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I\'ve said this for the last couple of weeks, in the dictionary today, is the word tariff. It\'s more beautiful than love. It\'s more beautiful than anything. It\'s the most beautiful word. This country can become rich with the use, the proper use of tariffs. Did you just ﬂoat out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs? Well, okay. Were you serious about that? Yeah, sure. But why not? Ready? Our country was the richest, relatively, in the 1880s and 1890s. A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His language was really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price. And the big price is tariffs. And he\'d speak like that, but he was right. And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. And you know why? 2:58:49 You know, they, believe me, they control our politicians. If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now. But we had a commission meeting in the, I think it was 1887. Think of this problem. We were so rich. We had so much money. We didn\'t know what to do. So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs. And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had. We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs. And China does it. If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory or have a factory, they don\'t take our cars. They wouldn\'t take our cars. But if you build a plant in China, you can do that. Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy. I think you\'re a fan of Elon. He is from a different planet. He\'s the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. I told the story once or twice. So you may have heard it because his speeches have been good. Did you see the one last night? 29,000 people. And the one the night before was the same thing. We are rocking and rolling. But Elon, I\'m talking to this very important guy. I said, wait a minute. I\'m looking at something. The television\'s unmuted, right? And I see this rocket. It\'s all brown from the heat. 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour. And I see this thing. It\'s like a 20- story building. And I say to this guy, who\'s an important guy, wait a minute. Let me just put you down. Hold it. I got to see this. And I see this, and it\'s going to crash. I say, it\'s going to crash into the gantry. They call it a gantry. I said, oh man, that\'s going to be a disaster because it\'s starting to get very close. And then all of a sudden, you see the ﬂames in the bottom. And then boom. And then you see the two arms grab it. Crazy. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)He said, nobody. Russia can\'t do it. The United States, nobody can do it. You know, I set up Space Force. That was me. And that\'s the ﬁrst time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force. And that\'s going to be one of our most important things. But think of what Elon does. And he did one other thing that I never heard of it. It\'s Starlink. I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places. I followed it right down. And they had no communication. The polls were all knocked down. And one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me. By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement to Tuffer. He said, the country\'s going to fail. You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala, you\'re not a Kamala person. I know you. I\'ve watched you. I know him better than he is. You know what? Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife. I have watched you for so many years. You\'re not a Kamala person. You\'re a Khabib person, but you\'re not a Kamala person. Nobody\'s going to know who Khabib is. But he was not bad, right? Oh, he was phenomenal. But that\'s your kind of person. Your weave is getting wide. We\'re getting wide with this weave. I want to bring it back to tariffs. But wait, before we ﬁnish with tariffs. So they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And I call Elon. He got it for him so fast. Saved so many lives. And I said, how was it? They said, better than the wires. They couldn\'t put them in. They were all gone. 2:58:49 Did you ﬁnd it good? Oh, it\'s phenomenal. It\'s the size of an iPad. You just set it down on the ground. You get high speed internet. It\'s incredible. We\'re spending, just to show you, we\'re spending a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right? Up to upstate areas where you have two farms and they\'re spending millions of dollars. Well, talk about the \$42 billion that was wasted on this internet access program. They didn\'t get anybody. They haven\'t hooked up one person. Not one person. They spent \$42 billion. They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money. For almost nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge. And it would have been incredible. And it\'s high speed internet everywhere you want to go. And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to do it. How about this? They built the charger stations, right, in the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost \$9 billion. That\'s like a gas pump, right? They built nine gas pumps, except electricity comes out. They spent \$9 billion. Three of them don\'t work. The whole thing. There\'s so much waste. I could sit here and tell you about things that there\'s so much waste, abuse, and fraud. 2:58:49 Let\'s get back to tariffs. When you\'re talking about, one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deﬁcit. So what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was going to increase the deﬁcit by a substantial amount? OK. We were ready to rock. It was all, you know, I had a bad system. We had horrible tax policy. I made it great. With a much lower tax rate. So I took it from almost 40% down to 21%. Now I\'m bringing it from 21% down to 15%. But only if you make your product in the United States, which is great. People call me, they said, what a great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don\'t care if they make the product in Japan. Why should I give up? So it\'s a 21%. At 21%, in the ﬁrst year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40%. Think of that. It inspired. Now we had other things, too. We were able to get people to bring back their money. You couldn\'t bring back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple. Apple had many billions of dollars outside. They couldn\'t bring it. There was no way to bring it back in. The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing. And also the tax was too high. You know, they wanted like half of it or something. Nobody\'s going to do that. So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there. That was part of what I did. The money came pouring back in. Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars. They brought it back from overseas. They brought it in. So how does the deﬁcit increase because of that? So what happened is this. We were ready to rock and roll. And then we had the COVID thing. And we had to focus on that. 2:58:49 We were going to\... We would have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we have \$35 trillion in debt. And I\'ll never forget it. We were\... It was talking about from the standpoint of being in oﬃce. I\'m in the Oval Oﬃce and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the two very good pollsters probably. I don\'t know. I would say the two best. Who knows? But very good pollsters. And we\'re starting to think about running for a second term. And we had the greatest economy in history. Never has there been an economy like\... And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs. Yeah, a lot of it. Two things. And also, I cut regulations more than anybody else. And if\... I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, I\'d say, so if you had your choice, you\'ve had it now for a long time, what\'s more important to you? The tax cuts, you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts? Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would think that, right? Because you don\'t equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars. We had it going, and then we just had to focus on something else. But they were sitting there, these two pollsters were sitting there, and they said, Sir, if George Washington came back, and Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Walz, how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn\'t beat you. You have\... And I\'ll never forget it. The following day, they said, something\'s happening in China, Sir. Could we meet? I said, what\'s happening? People are dying. And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way. There are pictures with little lines, their body bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always said that from the beginning, Joe, was, you know, they tried to say\... First, they said it was France, and, you know, they blamed everybody. But then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away. So we got hit with that. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)But we saved it. And we were helping businesses. They were dying. You know, they were dying. So it\'s your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt. And that was the strategy. If we didn\'t have COVID, we would have been paying off debt. And we would have had\... And don\'t forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important in a way, because you could have the same debt. But if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you\'re under levered. But still, we should pay off debt. You know, if you viewed this \$35 trillion right now, it\'s a lot. But if you look at the asset value, if you looked at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground. We have water. We have mountains. We have\... I mean, the assets are so enormous. But regardless of that, we\'ve got \$35 trillion in debt. We should pay it off. And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further tax reductions. I want to get it down to 15%. We\'re going to do more business. But when you get hit with a COVID, everything stops. And you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses were dying. I mean, they were just dying. This whole place, this country was going to die. **Joe Rogan** Are there inﬂuences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course? But are there other inﬂuences that may be over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects? Are people being inﬂuenced in a way where they\'re trying to keep us from producing American oil? So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is 2:58:49 And sometimes I say, I look at some of the\... I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York. I had to do environmental impact studies. And I would see some of these guys that I\'d hire for a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process. And they\'d be up in Albany. That\'s the capital of New York. And they\'re up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they\'d get paid more money. In other words, I had one guy, highly recommended. You know, I was good at getting permits. I was one of the kings of\... I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was always horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years. I had a project in Louisiana, built big LNG plant. It was for 14 years. It was gonna cost \$18 billion. One of the biggest, like the Empire State Building, laying down on its side times four. Massive, on the coast, on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they\'re gonna give it up. I said, they shouldn\'t give it up. What\'s the problem? They can\'t get their environmental\... They had environmental permits that would ﬁll this whole room up to the ceiling. And they said there was one mistake on one little line. They want them to do it all over again. It\'s not gonna happen. And I got them their permit instantly. And they built the plant. It\'s massive. So when you\'re saying that\... There\'s people that are making money by making it diﬃcult. 2:58:49 Environmental consultants proﬁt off of dragging out the process. And how do they proﬁt? And I\'d probably do the same thing about with them, to be honest with you. How do they do that? How do they make it? Let\'s say New York, they go to Albany. Okay. And they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that\'s this big and in theory valueless, it\'s a rare plant and you cannot even touch it. You can\'t go near it. You can\'t put a building on it. You can\'t do anything. Or there\'s a little puddle. And they call it a lake. And you have to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no, no, that\'s a puddle. Oh, you have no idea. Guys are ﬁlling a little puddle. You have no idea what they do. And they use it as a way to stop you. They use it as a way to stop you and also as a way to generate money. I\'m curious\... How are they generating money that way though? Well, they get fees. They get fees. Massive fees. And you pay these guys. People rely on them as experts because they\'re the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the ﬁrst place. But some of them are just bad guys and they\'re trying to make it more and more diﬃcult. And they have a lot of power. Yeah, I think they maybe had more. They didn\'t have as much with me because I would get 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)building. To build a building in New York is very tough. You got to be very\... You got to deal with\... Think of it. Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental. Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff. And you hire a so-called expert. They say, sir, he\'s the one guy he can get you through the morass. It\'s a morass. It\'s horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use it all over the country. **Joe Rogan** Right, but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct? Like look about the BP oil spill. There\'s a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. And you want to mitigate that as much as possible. You do. Look, during our four years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view it differently. I say air and water. Remember this, it costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn\'t do anything. When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China, which he probably doesn\'t even get to see him, but they look at him. Oh, yes, yes. We will do. Oh, yes, yes. We\'re going to do that. No more coal, no more coal. Just and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next, you know, every, they build a coal plant a week. Okay, they build a lot of coal plants. But let me just tell you. So here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything and everything\'s got in the air has got to be pure. But in 3.8 days, that stuff ﬂoating over China is right over the top of us. Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into the Paciﬁc Ocean. If you take a little cork and put it there, in about a week and a half, it\'ll be in front of Los Angeles. 2:58:49 It\'s the currents. It\'s an amazing thing. It\'s been ﬂowing that way for a million years, a long before. We share air with the whole world. Yeah. No, if we\'re cleaning. We get the Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert. But we get the China, you know, they call it the China curse. We get the China curse, they\'re better and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got along very well. And they treated me better than anybody has ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia, a number of them. But they laid it out. And I said, this air is good. Do you know they closed every factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles. That\'s like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He got rid of all the homeless people. Isn\'t that terrible in a way to think, you know? He cleaned it up and then it became a pigsty. Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like how about just keep your fucking house clean? Can you imagine? It\'s the dumbest thing I\'ve ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you ﬁnally cleaned up your homeless problem. And the day he left. 2:58:49 But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was. What a disgrace. Well, this is the thing that like shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think. A lot of these people that are running these states think. It\'s foolish. Like you, you\'re insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. There\'s an app that you can buy. There\'s an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco. It\'s a poo app and it\'s everywhere. It\'s just bum crap everywhere. **Donald Trump** But let me give you one that you may not know. Which I think you know everything actually. As a student of yours. But water, you know, in Los Angeles, you can\'t get proper amounts of water. Right. And it\'s unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly Hills and they\'re actually thinking about rationing water. Can you believe it? 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)It\'s farmland and it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said, but there\'s always that little corner that\'s so green and beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said, do you have a drought? No, we don\'t have a drought. I said, why don\'t you have no water? Because the water isn\'t allowed to ﬂow down. It\'s got a natural ﬂow from Canada all the way up north of water. More water than they could ever use. And in order to protect a tiny little ﬁsh, the water up north gets routed into the Paciﬁc Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured. You got to see this. We\'re driving up and I had never seen it before. It\'s the most, it\'s like Iowa. It\'s the most fertile land. Iowa\'s blessed with great land. Idaho for a potato, right? But these, they\'re just, by the way, you know, some land is good for a potato. Some land is good for corn. It\'s the craziest thing. I love the farmers. They\'re great. They\'re the greatest. And by the way, they\'re getting killed right now. They are. They\'re getting killed because of this stupid administration. But so I see this and I said, you got to be kidding. I said, you mean you have water? And I looked at it. It\'s like a valve in your sink, except it\'s massive. The thing\'s ﬁve times taller than your ceiling. **Joe Rogan** Did you know the center of California was a giant lake? They have so much water. You ever see what it looks like before they rerouted it? **Donald Trump** 2:58:49 The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California. So they dumped it into the Paciﬁc. Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation they\'re in now. Think of those dry forests that burned down all over. You know, the head of Austria said, you know. Tulare Lake or Tachi Lake. It\'s a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what it looked like back then. It\'s a great system. So that\'s what it looked like. Look at that image. Now, go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah. Yeah. That was an enormous lake in the middle of California. Imagine that. That\'d be much more valuable property. How crazy is that? But how crazy is that\'s what it used to look like. And human beings screwed that up. No, they let it go into the Paciﬁc and then they did something. I don\'t know what they did. What did they do that, how did it go missing? Yeah, they drained it. Nineteen? Nineteen eighty three. Oh my God. It went dry a handful of times. Oh, went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that\'s a big one. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)You could have all of the water you need. All of that land would have more water. The whole thing could be like that little patch. Literally, I\'d say, I was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other congressmen. We were going up. I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory and I did. But I kept saying, look at this land. It\'s beautiful, but it\'s so dry. And I thought they were going through like a desert, like a drought. They said, no, we have water, but it gets through. So I looked into it. What is the ﬁsh? And I got it done. I got it done. I could have water for all of that land. Water for your forests. You know, your forests are dry as a bone. Yeah. OK. Dangerous. That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything. Not only dangerous. Billions of dollars a year they spend on forest ﬁres. And, you know, there\'s a case with the environment. They\'re not allowed to rake their forests because you\'re not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It\'s like, you know, like real ﬁrewood. It\'s bad. You know, a tree that\'s up. These are all things I learned the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water. It\'s wet. I went to that. They had a couple of horrible forest ﬁres in California. And I went. I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes, they were healthy trees. I said with this intense heat that you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were going to be all right because they\'re soaking wet because they suck up the water. Right. But when they fall. Right. They\'re like, you know, it\'s like lighting a match. **Joe Rogan** Yeah. 2:58:49 I see all those forest ﬁres in California and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of, you know, leaves that are sitting there for ﬁve years and they certainly get rid of the dead fall and get rid of the trees that have fallen, you know, or like so many things. It\'s kind of, by the way, could you had it all done for us, though? I don\'t think you could rake the whole forest. I think you get rid of the dead fall. But raking all you could certainly get rid of the dead. OK, that\'s the real issue. You know, environmentally, they don\'t want to do that. They don\'t. They said, you know, it\'s got to be nature and all this stuff. But in the meantime, this is exactly. Yeah, but you could have. So it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals. But Gavin Newsom had to sign them. I got it all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done. I said, I got it. You got so much water. All you have to do is sign. And that guy didn\'t want to sign. Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you? I think no, he didn\'t. No, I don\'t think so. You know, he used to say he\'s a great president. We got along. We did. We actually got along at that point. But I think somebody said you just can\'t continue to call him a great president. You know, they do say that. But we had it all done. He didn\'t sign. And then we got on to other things. And every time I go to California, you have so much water. They don\'t know it. I\'m telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water. Same thing with the electric. They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you\'re not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because the grid couldn\'t handle it. I will terminate the mandate immediately. Just a mandate. That will be done, I would say, in my ﬁrst day, maybe two days. Let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things that when I\'ve talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it\'s probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate. And that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island. These are old systems, and they\'re much more capable now. And they\'re capable of making even better systems. But it\'s a diﬃcult political issue. Because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl. That\'s what everybody does. They have this connection. They\'re headed to the potential disaster, or Fukushima. Where you\'re not supposed to enter the land for 3,000 years or something. It\'s crazy. I think it\'s worse than that. I think that area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the point is, they\'re better at it now. **Joe Rogan** Right. And that they could do it now. And you can generate power in a way that you don\'t have to worry 2:58:49 So it\'s happening. Yeah, it is what\'s happening. And people want to think they\'re being green. Well, you look at the way the batteries are made. But here\'s the other thing. We don\'t have, well, we do actually. It\'s being held. We have certain areas where we have great raw earth material. And we\'re not allowed to use it because of the environment. And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth. And they\'re not allowing. And I\'m going to open it up. But how do you do that? How do you do that and protect the environment? Because the environment is going to be protected. You can do it. You can make a lake out of it. OK, we\'ll put back a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes. You can do things magniﬁcently. You just have to do it carefully and responsibly. Absolutely. You have to do it carefully. But the problem, you know, China has all of those areas, most of those areas. And yet when they say go electric with the cars, China is going to be the one that gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are going to be out of business. You\'re going to make your electric cars over there. We have a thing called gasoline. And we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation. You know, I had in Alaska, there\'s a ﬁnd. It\'s called Anwar. I got it approved. Reagan couldn\'t get it. 2:58:49 biggest ﬁnds in the world. It was all set to go. And Biden comes in. One of his ﬁrst orders were, we\'re not going to use it. It would have been so good for them. We could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas. What was the negative of it? And you talk about money. The negative was politically, they didn\'t think it was good for them. That\'s all. That\'s all it was. So you don\'t think that it\'s environmentally dangerous? Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally, it would have been ﬁne. So it can be done responsibly? Oh, otherwise, let\'s not say environment. Well, I think windmills. Okay. So they talk about windmills. I think windmills are really disruptive. When you talk about the environment, they killed the birds. You want to see a bird cemetery? Go under a windmill someday that hasn\'t been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses. It\'s like massive amounts of birds. Well, they\'re also a massive eyesore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had to drive past this enormous windmill farm. And it\'s gross. It\'s dystopian. You\'re looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren\'t even that effective at generating electricity. 2:58:49 And you have to replace them? And then they get abandoned by the people that built them. Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose. You have to dispose these enormous windmills. And how do you dispose of them? So I even questioned that, but I\'m not going to get into it. But they say you can\'t bury them. So you have the blades and you can\'t bury the blades. You can bury the blades. It\'s not going to matter. You can bury them. You\'ll ﬁnd areas you can bury. But they come up. This is what I mean. They come up with this. But the environmentalist dream is windmills. You know what happens to them? After ﬁve years, they start to rot. After 10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they\'ve been abandoned? And they\'re all different manufacturers in all different companies. And they haven\'t seen that. It is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard, almost a graveyard of windmills. It\'s pollution. It\'s so bad. It\'s no different than leaving garbage on the ground. How about in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build. The people are going crazy not to build them. But we have them. The whales are washing up on shore. Right. So in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore. Now they had like 18 come in the last year. 2:58:49 Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know, it\'s a vibration because you have those. You know, those things are 50 story building. Right. And they\'re super sensitive to vibration. They have those, you know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing. It\'s a vibration and it makes noise. You know what it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It drives the whales freaking crazy. Yeah, something happens with them. But for whatever reason, they\'re getting washed up on shore. And, you know, and yet the environment is ignored by the environment. Right. I think there\'s nothing ugly. I see it in Scotland. I see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley. It\'s been there for, you know, in civilization, thousands of years, but millions of years. And all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up. Would your plan to replace that with nuclear? What would you do? Well, nuclear is better. I mean, I think there\'s a little danger of nuclear. But, you know, we had some really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think, South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build these massive things. Then the environmentalists get in. I don\'t want to go into a long story because it\'s too long for the show. This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It\'s number 12 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)Nope, nope. You\'re a quarter of an inch. The wall might be eight feet wide. You\'re a quarter of an inch too short. I\'m sorry. You got to rip down the wall. You got to because it\'s got to be poured contiguously, right? You\'re one quarter of an inch. I\'m sorry. I ripped down. You can\'t rip it down. This stuff, you can\'t put a hammer through it. You can\'t. It\'s incredible. Concrete technology is unbelievable what, you know, what\'s happened. You think of concrete. So you think that\'s an example of over-regulation? Pointless over-regulation. Well, you have an inspector that comes along and he says take down a 25 zillion dollar wall. These things ended up costing 25 billion dollars. And one of them never got opened. But here\'s the story. So France does it. France is largely nuclear. And they build small little compact plants. And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up. And they hook it up. Because they get too big and too complex and too expensive. And it is very clean. They say it\'s absolute. You know, my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a great genius just like other members of my family. But he was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years. He was a longest serving. When I was in the White House, the head of MIT, Princeton and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was a longest serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you know how? And he knew everything about nuclear, from math to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said, someday it\'s going to be the way to go. But the problem is it\'s so dangerous in terms of war. He said, Donald, someday, and this was a long time, Uncle John, Dr. John Trump, he said, someday you\'ll have a little satchel at your side and you\'ll go into a building and you\'ll be able to blow up New York City. I said, Uncle John, that\'ll never happen. 2:58:49 Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like, that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it. The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming. It\'s nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We have a guy that doesn\'t make it past four o\'clock. And it\'s not because of age. They ought to. I know so many guys in their late 80s and they\'re better than. I said to one guy, I think you\'re smarter than you were 25 years ago. I\'ve known him a long time. He\'s 89 years old. He\'s sharp. I mean, he\'s great. Biden gives people a bad name because that\'s not an old. That\'s not an age. I think they say it because I\'m three or four years younger. I think that\'s why they say it. They say his age. It\'s not his age. He\'s got a problem. Two major brain surgeries. Those are not good operations. And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans. And he said that\'s why he\'s headed out west. Like he\'s off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term. **Donald Trump** You know, it\'s interesting because during the debate. I was looking over, I\'m saying this is strange. It\'s just sort of like strange things were happening. Yeah, but he couldn\'t keep it together. But do you think they knew he couldn\'t keep it together? I think that they wanted. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)I think they wanted to. Well, there\'s a lot of theories. A lot of people said do the debate now and we\'ll get him out. I think that maybe could be. Well, that is what happened. So it\'s logical. I think they also said do the debate now and get it over with. I don\'t think anybody thought he was going to get out, really. I don\'t make any sense. The debate. The debate got him out. But but I think it\'s very unfair. Look, you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But I think she\'s not doing very well right now. And I think she looks. Well, I want to get to that, too, because it\'s hard to know. Like the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people, because most people don\'t answer polls. So they read the polls. Were you ever called from a poll? I was never called by a poll system. If I did, I wouldn\'t answer. I\'m busy. You know how polls are done. Oh, I\'m going to get myself in trouble. But so I really don\'t believe too much in him. So well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective. Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was doing well. 2:58:49 And they tell me I\'m going to lose. I said, why am I going to lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people. But, you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge you a lot of money, too. You know, they charge you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll. And they interview like 251 people. I don\'t think they interview in many cases. I don\'t want to get myself in too much trouble. It\'s bullshit. No, I think they sit there. They make a deal. They get a half a million bucks. And they say Trump\'s leading 51 to 49. They announce it. And everybody says, oh, do you understand? I don\'t think they I think in a lot. Look, I\'m a very common sense person. I think that they probably don\'t always poll. Some of them probably never poll. What\'s the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half? **Joe Rogan** Well, it\'s also a tiny percentage of the population. I don\'t think it\'s representative of the overall population. I just don\'t. I don\'t know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster. Exactly. That\'s my point. So here\'s here\'s my question. But I shouldn\'t say that because I\'m doing very, you know, really well in the polls. But I think that\'s so this week, I happen to believe in a verse. I only believe they\'re good. No, I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe that there\'s probably a lot of fraud. I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong because I had a rally. I had 29,000 people at a racetrack and it was like zero degrees, Wisconsin. And they had me down 17 points. In other words, you had no chance. And I won. And I called up my pollsters. Good guy. Good, good guy. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)next time. They said they don\'t care. When you\'re down 17 points, people are going to stay home. They\'re not going to vote because they\'re going to say, I love Trump, but I\'m not going to waste my time. It\'s cold out. I said, but why don\'t they make it four or ﬁve? He said at four or ﬁve, they\'re going to go and vote at 17. They\'re not going to go. I was seven. This is a Washington Post, ABC poll. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin and I won. It\'s crooked stuff. There\'s a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about that, too, because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results. And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort? Well, they say it made a 10 point difference and I lost by one tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes. But look, it was much more than that. And I appreciate J.D. Vance saying that. And by the way, I think he was a great pick. Do you like J.D.? I like him a lot. You\'re allowed to say that. No, I do. I like him a lot. I think he\'s a brilliant guy. And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. He did. You did my friend Theo Vance podcast, right? And he just did it. He did great. And he just talks like a normal human being. 2:58:49 He was a nice guy. Once they shot you, I was like, he\'s got to come in here. It\'s all about timing. It\'s all about the timing. The timing is good. I think the timing is perfect. **Joe Rogan** Do you even have a scar on your ear? You got anything on there? What do we say? Right over here. That\'s a tiny little mark. It zicked right there. It healed up pretty fucking good. Yeah, it\'s pretty good. It\'s not like some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC ﬁghters. No, you didn\'t get cauliﬂower. No, it was sort of like a top shot. The point of the bullet was over the edge. But you see, the thing\'s taken off a little bit. But it makes me a tougher guy. You know, the ﬁghters love their\... You know, Bo Nickel is a great ﬁghter. **Joe Rogan** Yeah, I love Bo Nickel. How\'s he going to do? I think he\'s terriﬁc. 2:58:49 Yeah, he\'s a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists. When is he ﬁghting again? He\'s ﬁghting in Madison Square Garden in November. Oh, that\'s going to be after the election? Yep. So I\'ll either go as president or I\'ll be depressed and I won\'t bother. Yeah, I think they\'re having a ﬁght right now. One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that. She called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place. Even though she conceded. You know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten. Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There\'s been many of them. The Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling chads, all that stuff. **Donald Trump** Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags in Congress that are Democrats. They\'re still denying 2016. But now they don\'t so much because, you know, they try and pin it on me. You don\'t hear them say. 2:58:49 They denied it right up until the end. My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic and you get labeled an election denied. It\'s like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have from the COVID-19 shots. Oh my God, you\'re an anti-vaxxer. If you say, and what I say publicly, and I\'ve said this a lot, it\'s not zero percent. So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it zero percent? No one thinks it\'s zero percent. I\'ve never met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it\'s zero percent. They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots. And you had legislatures that had to approve and they didn\'t approve and they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot, you had old fashioned ballot screwing. I mean, you had people going up and dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera. **Joe Rogan** There\'s certain people that think that they have, and the rhetoric is also that you\'re Hitler and that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes. That was okay, yeah. Yeah. And this is, I mean, you\'re hearing this now. Kamala compared you to, said your love of Hitler yesterday. You know, Kamala is a very low IQ person. She\'s a very low IQ. You know, I\'m for taking tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should take, they should give them tests. And it\'s not an age thing. It\'s not based. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)I think everybody, they say it\'s unconstitutional, but I think. I think Kamala should have a test because there\'s something missing. There\'s something wrong with her. Well, I think it\'s pressure. I think the pressure and the scrutiny, you\'ve been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like. But for someone who\'s in her late 40s, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a sudden the weight of the world is on your shoulders and there\'s all these people paying attention. But you either have it or you don\'t. Correct. Look, this is an interview. We\'ve covered a lot of territory, right? And, you know, it\'s ﬁne. I don\'t care. I want to. I think it\'s much more interesting. She, to do an interview with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She took two days off and she studied and studied all day long. And then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She couldn\'t answer a question. And every question is not answered. I mean, like, what would you do your ﬁrst day in oﬃce? OK, I\'ll build a wall. I won\'t build a wall. There\'s a hundred things you can say. Just say anything, right? There\'s something off with her. Well, we\'re dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I say, you know, when the press, when I call President Xi, they said he called President Xi brilliant. Well, he\'s a brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron ﬁst. I mean, he\'s a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not. And they go crazy. Right. It doesn\'t mean he\'s not evil or it doesn\'t mean he\'s not. 2:58:49 Yeah, of course. Dangerous. But actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it. Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president. How would you have stopped it? Automatic. Two things. I told him. I said, Vladimir, you\'re not going in. I used to talk to him all the time. You\'re not going in. I can\'t tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday he\'ll tell you. But he would have never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn\'t have gone in? Oil prices at \$40 a barrel wouldn\'t have allowed him. Wouldn\'t have given him the money to prosecute that war. Wouldn\'t have given him the money. I said it with President. I was with President Xi. I said it was almost the same conversation with Vladimir. It was Moscow with President Xi. It was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, don\'t do it. He would have never done it. The day I left, they ﬂew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan. 28 bombers. And it\'s the apple of his eye. And the same thing with Russia. It\'s the apple. Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn\'t have done it. He would have never done it. But he also wouldn\'t have done it because of the oil. You know, one of the reasons that what happened is, number one, he doesn\'t respect Biden at all. Not even a little bit. And who the hell would? But he doesn\'t respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled. Number one, you take the soldiers out last, not ﬁrst. Okay, that was their big mistake. And we had that thing charted out. And they weren\'t obeying us. They weren\'t. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)immediately took all. He left the equipment behind 13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before a child would know. That\'s where Millie was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy, Millie. Okay, those generals should have all been ﬁred. The Afghan, the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been ﬁred. Then they\'d be writing books about him, how stupid he was and bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last. I had a big rally and I saw a child in the front row about a year and a half ago. And I called the child up. I said, do you mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please. And they came up kids ﬁve years. I gave him a quick details. You know, I said, we want to get out of this place. And we have this and we have this and we have the equipment. I gave him a little thing. I said, do you take your soldiers out ﬁrst or last after everything\'s done? You take them out last, sir. A child would know that. We took our soldiers out ﬁrst. **Joe Rogan** What was your plan? And we left Bagram. Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now. The best equipment yet to embarrass us. The best equipment in the world. The Taliban parade where they\'ve got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks ﬂying. It\'s the craziest thing I\'ve ever seen. We left the best equipment in the world behind. **Joe Rogan** 2:58:49 Well, number one, we would have taken it out. Just so you go back a little bit further. I had a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time I had those conversations because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff, they were shooting. They were shooting a lot of them. They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting them. And I said, get this guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they heard this. I had a great conversation with it was a tough conversation. 18 months later, there wasn\'t one soldier that was ever shot at. And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn\'t admit it. His people went nuts. He said, yeah, well, I will admit no soldier. We didn\'t have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was going to happen if that happened. I didn\'t have one. So then when I left after having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our soldiers. But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving. He shouldn\'t have left. Number one should have left from Bagram because Bagram is massive base. It\'s got tremendous acreage around it. Tremendous. It\'s a very big it was built many years ago. And part of the reason you wouldn\'t have taken that is because it goes to China one hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles. You should have never left Bagram. Number one, they should have left from Bagram. They should have left last. They should have got, you know, we have Americans that are still there. They should have taken all their equipment out. Everything, every plane, every screw should have been taken out every tent. And I said that that\'s when I realized that Millie was a dummy. I said, we\'re leaving, but I want to get everything out. Sure. It\'s cheaper to leave it. I said, what do you mean cheaper to leave? He said it\'s cheaper to leave it. That was cheaper, cheaper. He said it\'s cheap, not more dangerous. He just said cheaper. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)cheaper to get out and leave it. I said, so you think it\'s cheaper to leave \$150 million brand new airplane in there than it is to ﬂy it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just ﬂy it directly back? It\'s cheaper to leave. I said, this guy\'s nuts. I\'m telling you, he was so stupid. He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man. And there were a number of them. But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who was so great. I ﬂew to Iraq. And I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with. And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take ﬁve years. I did it in a matter of a few, literally a few weeks. And we hit them hard. And he said, sir, we\'re going to hit him here. We\'re going to hit him there. We\'re going to hit him here, there. And I said, this guy\'s great. I like this guy. I was told it would take ﬁve years. That\'s why I went. I said, how could it take ﬁve years? We have brand new ﬁghters. We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly take that long? And I ﬂew to, I ﬂew and left at three o\'clock in the morning. Nobody knew I was going. I got on Air Force One and we started ﬂying. And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I\'m sorry. You\'ll have to turn off all your lights. Why? We\'re getting close to our site. Our land. I said, I mean, we spent eight trillion dollars that we can\'t leave the lights. I think of this. Twenty years, eight trillion dollars that we can\'t leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that\'s OK. Turn the lights on. That\'s what this is because it\'s too dangerous, too dangerous because they see the light up in the 2:58:49 So I said, turn the lights off. Then they said, sir, we\'re going to also pull your shades if that\'s OK. The plane was pitch black. All the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds, they were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times. And these guys are specimens. I always say they\'re better looking than Tom Cruise. OK, and they\'re even taller, like perfect specimens. These guys like for a ﬁghter. You know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens, right? And, you know, they pick they pick the best pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force to ﬂy Air Force One. And I get up there and I\'m sitting and I\'m feeling my way up. You know, it\'s up 747 as you go through the stairs. But I sort of knew my way up. There wasn\'t a light in the plane. I\'m saying, can you imagine? We spent trillions of dollars and we\'re trying to ﬂy in blind. But I got into the plane. The cockpit is dark, black, little tiny light. You could see the pilot, a perfect looking human being. His copilot, everybody was perfect. They were all like movie stars. You know, it\'s like I could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking. So I said, how are we doing? Sure, we\'ll be landing in 10 minutes. And I look outside. There\'s not a light. And I\'m saying, you know, I\'ve landed a lot of planes. And you see like little lights at least. There\'s nothing. It\'s just pure desert. And I said, OK, Captain, good. But I\'m looking. Now we\'re, you\'ve been in many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet. Now it goes 1,900, 800. It\'s a computer voice, but it sounds like, but it\'s incredible voice. 700\. I say, Captain, are we OK? I\'m looking. Are we OK, Captain? There\'s no lights. And I\'m looking, you know, normally when you land a plane. Because I sit with the boss a lot. I think it\'s great. I think it\'s a great profession, everything. It\'s incredible. They\'re incredible. These machines are incredible. 2:58:49 ![](media/image4.png)exaggerating, it\'ll tell the story. They\'ll say, Trump was a coward. So I\'m sitting with him, you know, 500 foot. And I\'m telling you, there wasn\'t a light on the runway. Nothing. And we\'re going in. You OK, Captain? Everything good? Yes, sir. No problem. We\'ll be down in about one minute, sir. And I\'m telling you, Joe, you know, there\'s always a light. There\'s not a little pin. And all of a sudden, and you hear, wow, wow, perfect landing like glass. That\'s how good I mean, these guys between the equipment and it\'s genius. It\'s pure. It was so dark. You couldn\'t see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn\'t know where the hell you are. You\'re in the middle of a desert. And then I got out of the plane. I said, thank you, Captain. It\'s a great job. And then I get out of the plane and I\'m going down and I see a general and another general. And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant and various guys, all central casting. Central casting. They said, sir, would you like to rest? I said, I don\'t want to rest. I want to ﬁgure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS? I\'m hearing we can\'t. It\'s going to take years. No, sir. We can do it very quickly, sir. And anyway, we go into the room. We go and I mean, Biden would have taken a nap for four days and then left without a meeting. So we go into the room and they have these guys. I say, how long can you do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir. I said, wait a minute. They told me ﬁve years. We can do it. And he gave me a number like just like in no time. I said, why haven\'t you done it? Because the orders came in from Washington, sir. And they would come here and tell us what to do. Don\'t you challenge us? We\'re not allowed to do that, sir. 2:58:49 So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn\'t go after ISIS? I think it\'s a bad system. You know, when Mattis goes there or when Millie goes there, who\'s stupid, and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do. And the guys that are smart are saying we don\'t like what they\'re doing, but they\'re not allowed to sort of counteract. Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant. You know, they\'re arrogant fools. They\'re like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they, as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the planes. It was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling. It was so bad. There was no reason for it. Anyway, so we knocked them out. And I mean, we have great military. We have great people, but not the television guys. And I rebuilt the military and then they gave a chunk of it. I have to tell you, as much as it is, it\'s a tiny little piece. Believe it or not, we have an unbelievable. I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear. And in a way, I hated to redo it. But I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe. One bomb, Israel is gone, but forget one bomb could take out the entire East Coast. It\'s so bad. And I watched these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise one eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean, we have people. We have countries right now. You have ﬁve countries. And don\'t underestimate North North. If you take a look at North Korea, they knew I was there. I mean, I was with Kim. I got along great with him. You know, the president, he got along good. That\'s a good thing. It\'s not a bad thing. It\'s a great thing. Obama thought we were going to go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama just prior to the takeover, you know, you meet, you have a sort of a ceremonial meeting, but it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last. I said, what\'s the biggest problem? He said, North Korea. By the time I ﬁnished, I was we had no problem with North Korea. 2:58:49 But mine\'s bigger than yours. And mine works. I like how you call them little rocket man. I said, I said, yeah, a little rocket. I said, little rocket, man, you\'re going to burn in hell. And it was a rough. Yeah. Oh, so rough that people were worried. This is crazy. And then one day I got a call. Sort of like a ﬁght. I got a call. You know, you ever see that pounding? Then all of a sudden. But I got a call. And it was from him, meaning his people. They wanted to meet. They wouldn\'t meet Obama. He tried to meet. They wouldn\'t even talk to him about it. And I think he expected to go to war. I actually do. I believe he expected to go. And we checked their nuclear stockpile. It is substantial. I mean, it\'s that\'s I said, you do anything. I got to know him very well. I got to know him better than anybody, anybody. And I said, do you ever do anything else? Why don\'t you go take it easy and relax? Go to the beach. You have beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly. I said, you\'re always building nuclear. Just relax. You don\'t have to do it. Let\'s build some condos on your shoreline. They actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said, I just have to do it because I need it for my safety. I got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, a smart president, you\'re not going to have a problem. And I say to people, we have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within. And it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad people that I reall

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