Waaree Renewable Tech Nov-24
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What is the current EBITDA margin level mentioned in the discussion?

  • 20%
  • 15% (correct)
  • 10%
  • 12%
  • What was the highest quarterly revenue reported?

  • Rs. 540 crores
  • Rs. 500 crores
  • Rs. 524 crores (correct)
  • Rs. 550 crores
  • Over the next four to five quarters, what is expected regarding EBITDA margins?

  • They will decline consistently
  • They will fluctuate between 5% and 10%
  • They will be maintained near current levels (correct)
  • They will increase significantly
  • What does the speaker expect regarding the new order book?

    <p>It will change the EBITDA margin mix (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is a crucial aspect mentioned about the increase in EBITDA?

    <p>It is primarily driven by volume increase (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What role does outsourcing play in EPC costs according to the discussion?

    <p>The percentage of outsourcing needs clarification (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Over what time frame is the current order book expected to be valid?

    <p>9 to 12 months (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What financial metrics are said to be increasing alongside EBITDA?

    <p>PAT and EBITDA (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What has been observed regarding investments in the sector?

    <p>No significant slowdown in investments (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What factor does Dilip Panjwani mention as a barrier for newer players entering the sector?

    <p>Requirement to qualify for bids (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is suggested as a benefit of increased competition in the sector?

    <p>Improvement in efficiencies and productivity (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the approximate investment range for gigawatt-scale projects mentioned?

    <p>Rs. 3 crores to Rs. 3.5 crores per megawatt (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What type of projects does Dilip Panjwani mention as part of their order book?

    <p>Predominantly utility-scale projects (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What complexity is mentioned as an added factor in current projects?

    <p>Complexity of battery storage (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What does Dilip Panjwani indicate about rooftop solar orders?

    <p>They are part of the order book (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What does Dilip Panjwani think about the impact of competition in the sector?

    <p>It keeps the industry on good footing (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What percentage of orders is currently sourced from domestic sources?

    <p>100% (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the primary concern mentioned regarding the domestic supply chain?

    <p>Capacity to meet demands (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What notable market does the company aspire to enter for international EPC projects?

    <p>Middle East and Africa (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What percentage of raw material cost is mentioned in the conversation?

    <p>70% - 74% (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    As of the conversation, has the company committed capital for international ventures?

    <p>No, there is no firm commitment yet. (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    How has the ALMM regulation impacted module supplies?

    <p>Modules now get covered under ALMM (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What has been the historical practice regarding equipment procurement?

    <p>Historically procured only from domestic sources (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What issues related to supply chains were mentioned in the discussion?

    <p>No significant supply chain issues were mentioned. (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the government’s commitment regarding renewable energy procurement power?

    <p>40 to 50 gigawatts per annum (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What was the initial aspiration for executing gigawatts in the current financial year?

    <p>1.5 to 2 gigawatts (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What was the size of the company’s current order book mentioned?

    <p>1.7 gigawatts (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the size of the pipeline that the company is currently pursuing?

    <p>17.8 gigawatts (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    How long is the typical time gap to fruition of the business in this industry?

    <p>6 to 8 months (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What potential market size did the participant refer to when discussing the whole market chase?

    <p>More than double the current pipeline (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Which projects are anticipated to emerge alongside the government’s renewable energy initiative?

    <p>Kusum Yojana and rooftop projects (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What was the range of gigawatts with which the company started the current financial year?

    <p>2.3 to 2.4 gigawatts (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the anticipated sustainable margin level mentioned for the future?

    <p>15% (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Why is hydrogen considered a growth driver for solar EPC?

    <p>The company has group capabilities in hydrogen. (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What historical margin levels has the company experienced?

    <p>Around 20% with variability (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the company's internal target regarding project selection?

    <p>To only select projects that align with their historical operating principles. (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What aspect of the market has the company noticed has not yet materialized?

    <p>Significant demand increase for hydrogen-related orders. (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Based on historical performance, what has fluctuated in the company's margins?

    <p>Margins have varied depending on the type of project undertaken. (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Which statement regarding the company's future guidance on margins is correct?

    <p>Margins will be updated as new orders are won. (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What degree of market demand for hydrogen is currently expected?

    <p>A significant demand yet to be scaled up. (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is the typical timeframe between invoicing clients and recognizing revenue?

    <p>30 to 45 days (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Which method is used to book revenues according to the accounting standard discussed?

    <p>Percentage of completion method (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What does Waaree prioritize when securing contracts?

    <p>Profitable contracts (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    How much growth is expected next year as mentioned in the conversation?

    <p>2x to 3x growth (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What does the term 'EPC work' refer to, based on the dialogue?

    <p>Engineering, Procurement, and Construction (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What was the company's revenue situation compared to last year's performance?

    <p>Revenue has increased (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What was one reason mentioned for Waaree not winning large orders in recent quarters?

    <p>Unfavorable bidding results (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    What is implied about the company's relationship with stakeholders?

    <p>It is transparent and ongoing (A)</p> Signup and view all the answers

    Flashcards

    What is EBITDA margin?

    Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization (EBITDA) margin is a profitability metric that indicates a company's operational efficiency. It measures the company's profit before accounting for interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization.

    What influences EBITDA margin?

    EBITDA margin fluctuates based on the company's revenue and expenses. It is influenced by factors like cost of goods sold, operating expenses, and the company's ability to manage resources effectively.

    What is the company's targeted EBITDA margin?

    The company aims to maintain a sustainable EBITDA margin of around 15%. This indicates a healthy financial position and profitability.

    How does the company's platform model affect EBITDA?

    The company utilizes a business model that leverages a platform approach, reducing capital requirements and allowing for consistent increases in EBITDA and profit after tax (PAT).

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    How does the order book impact EBITDA margins?

    The current order book provides a clear picture of expected EBITDA margins for the next 9 to 12 months. However, future orders may have different compositions, potentially impacting margins.

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    What are EPC costs?

    EPC costs refer to the expenses associated with engineering, procurement, and construction. These are typically involved in large projects like solar panel installations.

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    How does the company manage EPC costs?

    The company outsources a portion of its EPC costs. This means it purchases materials and services from external suppliers, rather than manufacturing everything in-house.

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    What is the company's strategy for EPC costs?

    The company's outsourcing strategy for EPC components involves a mix of in-house production of solar panels and cells and procurement of materials from external sources.

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    Government's Renewable Energy Target

    The government has committed to significantly increase the purchase of renewable energy, aiming for 40 to 50 gigawatts of power annually.

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    What does "pipeline" represent in this context?

    This refers to a large potential amount of future business, indicating a strong demand for the company's products or services.

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    What is the "time gap to fruition"?

    The company expects a delay between winning an order and actually generating revenue from it, typically taking 6-8 months.

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    What does the "order book" refer to?

    This refers to the amount of work the company has already been awarded, which ensures future income.

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    How does the company expect to ensure future growth?

    The company aims to secure new orders that will drive revenue and growth in the near future.

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    What is the company's ambition in the renewable energy market?

    The company is aiming to capture a significant portion of the growing renewable energy market.

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    How does the company intend to convert its pipeline into orders?

    The company is focused on converting its existing potential customers into actual buyers.

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    How does the company view the overall renewable energy market?

    The company is actively seeking more business opportunities in the growing renewable energy market.

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    What impact does new competition have on the solar industry?

    New companies entering the market bring competition which pushes companies to improve efficiency and productivity. These companies however need to meet certain qualification criteria when bidding for projects which often hinders their ability to compete.

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    How much does the company's typical project cost per megawatt?

    The company focuses heavily on large-scale projects, requiring significant upfront investment from clients, typically around Rs. 3-3.5 crores per megawatt.

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    Is the company seeing an increase in rooftop solar demand?

    The company is witnessing an increase in demand for rooftop solar, with these projects now being included in the order book.

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    What feature is increasingly common in the company's projects?

    The company's recent projects are increasingly complex and require battery storage, which is essential for reliable and uninterrupted power supply.

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    Who does the company primarily sell its solar projects to?

    The company's business model focuses primarily on selling to utility companies, meaning they're responsible for supplying electricity to multiple customers.

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    How does the company view competition in the market?

    While there is competition from new companies, the company doesn't express significant concern due to the unique challenges facing new players like qualification requirements and the complexity of large-scale projects.

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    What are 'hybrid projects' in the context of solar energy?

    The company is working on projects involving both conventional solar power generation and battery storage, forming hybrid projects designed to offer reliable power even during peak demand periods.

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    What factors contribute to the company's competitive edge?

    The company faces stiff competition from newer players, especially in the large-scale projects sector. However, its significant experience, project size, and the complexity of these projects give it an advantage over competitors.

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    What is the Balance of System (BOS)?

    The balance-of-system (BOS) refers to all components of a solar project except for the solar panels themselves. This includes inverters, racking, wiring, foundations, and other critical equipment.

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    Why is the BOS segment important for profitability?

    The company prioritizes profitability in the BOS segment, as it generally offers a higher profit margin. However, they strategically blend this with other aspects of the business for a balanced approach.

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    What is EBITDA?

    EBITDA, which stands for Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization, serves as a measure of a company's operational profitability before considering financing and non-cash expenses.

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    How does the company track profitability?

    The company's focus extends beyond simple profitability, with tracking and management of earnings up to the EBITDA level as a key element of their financial strategy.

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    What are the company's international plans?

    The company has aspirations for international expansion into regions like the Middle East and Africa. However, they haven't committed significant capital yet, but are open to opportunities.

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    How strong is the company's domestic supply chain?

    The company's domestic supply chain is well-equipped to meet the demand for materials, and they have not faced any significant sourcing issues. This includes both solar panels and other equipment.

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    What is ALMM?

    ALMM, or the Approved List of Models and Manufacturers, is a government initiative aimed at promoting domestic manufacturing in the solar industry. It requires solar modules to be sourced from specific manufacturers.

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    How does the company source materials?

    The company has not experienced any major issues in sourcing materials for projects. They successfully manage both panel procurement under ALMM and other equipment sourcing domestically.

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    Percentage Completion Method

    The practice of booking revenue based on the percentage of work completed, rather than only when payment is received.

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    Pipeline

    The amount of potential business, or unwon orders, that a company has identified.

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    Revenue Recognition Gap

    The period between when a company invoices a client for work and when that revenue is actually recognized and added to the company's financial statements.

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    EPC (Engineering, Procurement, and Construction)

    The process of designing, procuring materials, and constructing a project, especially for large infrastructure projects.

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    Profitable Contracts

    A practice where a company focuses on securing profitable contracts rather than taking on every project regardless of its financial feasibility.

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    Order Book

    The amount of work a company has already been awarded and is expected to generate revenue from in the future.

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    EBITDA Margin

    A metric that reflects a company's operational performance; it measures profit before considering certain financial expenses.

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    Converting Pipeline to Orders

    When a company focuses on converting potential customers into paying clients.

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    What is the company's EBITDA margin outlook?

    The company is confident that it will maintain a high profitability level, specifically targeting a double-digit EBITDA margin going forward.

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    How does the company plan to achieve future growth?

    The company aims to secure new orders, which will ultimately drive revenue growth and increase its order book.

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    Is the company seeing demand for green hydrogen projects?

    The company is actively looking for opportunities in the green hydrogen sector, but currently, there are no significant orders from this market.

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    What is the expected time gap between winning orders and revenue generation?

    The company expects the time between winning a new order and actually generating revenue from it to be 6-8 months.

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    How does the company approach project selection?

    The company has a strategy of proactively choosing projects to ensure they maintain a high profit margin, even if it means taking on fewer projects.

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    How does the current order book impact future margin expectations?

    The company's current order book reflects a good understanding of expected margins for the next 9-12 months, but future orders may have different margin profiles.

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    How has the company's EBITDA margin changed over time?

    The company's profitability has been historically around 20%, but they anticipate a more sustainable margin of around 15% in the future.

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    Study Notes

    Earnings Conference Call Transcript

    • Date: November 7, 2024
    • Company: Waaree Renewable Technologies Limited
    • Subject: Q2 FY '25 Earnings
    • Call Details: 11:30 a.m.
    • Location: Mumbai, India
    • Purpose: Discuss unaudited financial results for the quarter and half-year ending September 30, 2024.

    Management Team

    • Dilip Panjwani: Chief Financial Officer
    • Manmohan Sharma: AVP, Financial Controller
    • Rohit Wade: General Manager, Investor Relations

    Moderator

    • Viral Sanklecha: Orient Capital Limited

    Key Financial Highlights (Q2 FY '25)

    • Revenue: Rs. 524.47 crore (3.5x YoY increase from Rs. 150 crore in Q2 FY '24)
    • EBITDA: Rs. 71.57 crore (133.27% YoY increase from Rs. 30.68 crore in Q2 FY '24)
    • PAT: Rs. 53.52 crore (160% YoY increase from Rs. 20.54 crore in Q2 FY '24)
    • H1 FY '25 Revenue: Rs. 760.82 crore (172.7% YoY increase from Rs. 279 crore in H1 FY '24)
    • H1 FY '25 EBITDA: Rs. 112.65 crore (155% YoY increase from Rs. 44 crore )
    • H1 FY '25 PAT: Rs. 81.68 crore (175.29% YoY increase from Rs. 29.67 crore)

    Order Book and Pipeline

    • Unexecuted Order Book: 1.7 gigawatts peak (approx. Rs. 2,700 crore) as of September 30, 2024
    • Pipeline: 17.8 gigawatts
    • EPC orders executed: 705 megawatt peak in H1 FY'25.

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