The Republic: Social Organization

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According to Plato, what is the key advantage of examining justice at the state level before examining it at the individual level?

Justice is easier to discern in the state because it exists on a larger scale.

How does Plato explain the origin of a state, and what is the primary need that necessitates its formation?

A state arises from the fact that people are not self-sufficient and have many needs.

What is Plato's stance on individuals engaging in multiple occupations within a state, and how does he justify this?

Plato believes individuals should focus on one occupation for which they are naturally suited.

In Plato's ideal state, why is the division of labor so important for production and the overall function of society?

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According to Plato, what role do merchants and ship-owners play in facilitating trade and ensuring the self-sufficiency of a city?

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What is the role of currency in Plato's ideal state, and how does it facilitate economic transactions within the community?

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What is the origin of war according to Plato?

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Describe the ideal characteristics that Plato believes guardians of the state should possess.

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Why does Plato believe that the elder members of society should have authority over the younger members, particularly in the role of guardians?

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In Plato's view, what is the primary concern that guardians should have regarding the commonwealth, and how should they demonstrate this concern?

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What specific qualities does Plato suggest testing in potential guardians to ensure they are fit for their roles in the community?

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What metaphor does Plato use to describe the process of testing potential guardians, and what qualities are assessed through these tests?

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Explain Plato's 'noble lie' or 'convenient fiction' regarding the origins and roles of citizens within the community.

<p>Everyone was created down inside the Earth.</p> Signup and view all the answers

According to Plato's 'noble lie', what metals are mixed into the composition of rulers, auxiliaries, and farmers/craftsmen, respectively, and what does each metal symbolize?

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According to Plato, what precaution must rulers take concerning the mixture of metals in the souls of children, and what action should they take if a child is born with an inappropriate metal?

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What steps does Plato suggest to prevent auxiliaries from becoming tyrannical towards the citizens they are meant to protect?

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Describe the living conditions and possessions that should be provided for the auxiliaries in Plato's ideal state.

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Why does Plato prohibit auxiliaries from possessing gold and silver, and what alternative possessions should they value instead?

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According to Plato, why is it important for the size of the state to be carefully managed by the rulers?

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What, according to Plato, is the 'one great thing' that is sufficient for maintaining the well-being of the community, and how does it influence the citizens?

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According to Plato, how can a community ensure that its growth proceeds in a virtuous cycle, leading to better citizens and improved breeding qualities?

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Why does Plato advocate for strict control over children's pastimes, specifically mentioning the importance of musical education, and what is the intended outcome of this control?

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Why does Plato dismiss the need for extensive legislation on business matters, and what does he suggest will naturally emerge among citizens of good breeding?

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What analogy does Plato use to criticize states that focus on enacting petty laws instead of addressing fundamental issues?

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According to Plato, which institutions should be left to the Delphian Apollo?

<p>Religious institutions.</p> Signup and view all the answers

What four qualities characterize a state that has been founded and built up on the right lines, according to Plato?

<p>Wise, brave, temperate, just.</p> Signup and view all the answers

Why does Plato believe that the wisdom of a state is primarily attributed to the knowledge residing in the smallest part (the rulers), rather than the knowledge possessed by all citizens?

<p>Smallest part has the lead / governs rest.</p> Signup and view all the answers

Where does courage reside in a state, according to Plato, and what role does education play in shaping this courage?

<p>That part that fights in defense / Lawgiver.</p> Signup and view all the answers

How does temperance manifest in Plato's ideal state, and how does it differ from the way courage and wisdom operate within the community?

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According to Plato, what is the 'universal principle' that is essential for establishing justice in a commonwealth, and how does it relate to the overall well-being of the community?

<p>Everyone ought to perform the one / Proper function for which nature best suited.</p> Signup and view all the answers

Describe Plato's theory of the three components of the human soul, naming them, and explaining how these components are reflected in the ideal state?

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In Plato's analogy, how shall the parts of the soul be 'brought into tune', so that a man can be at peace with himself to be ready to act in the world?

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What is Plato's view on external behavior versus inner states, particularly in the context of justice?

<p>Matter of inward self rather than external.</p> Signup and view all the answers

According to Plato, is it possible that women can have the same role as men, and if so, how should that be managed?

<p>They must be taught the same things.</p> Signup and view all the answers

According to Plato, what is 'the abolition of the family'?

<p>That, for them, no one man and one woman are to set up house together privately: wives are to be held in common by all; so too are the children, and no parent is to know his own child, nor any child his parent.</p> Signup and view all the answers

What measures will rulers take to ensure the best possible unions occur, and what is the purpose of such a system?

<p>Poets will write their songs, sacrifices.</p> Signup and view all the answers

When, according to Plato, the city is successful, what should any individual be said to call their own?

<p>Call his own.</p> Signup and view all the answers

How can this sharing of wives and children improve the overall quality of the city?

<p>Removing selfish desires / greatest of all good.</p> Signup and view all the answers

According to Plato, if the city does it right, the Guardians will live a more enviable life than whom?

<p>Olympic victor.</p> Signup and view all the answers

According to Plato, what is the one change which, as I believe we can show, would bring about this revolution?

<p>That's a good question! The answer is that power should meet together.</p> Signup and view all the answers

According to Plato, what must those in high society have a 'genuine passion' for?

<p>All wisdom.</p> Signup and view all the answers

If one has 'belief' and not 'knowledge', explain what Plato would assert would be true of that character.

<p>Has a desire of the spectacle of beautiful colors and sounds, but would not hear of Beauty / real.</p> Signup and view all the answers

Does a man of truth and reason need more than a memory, quick wit, and other tools?

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Why does Plato relate the tale of a rudderless ship?

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Flashcards

The Republic

Social organization's basis, Socrates talking to Adeimantus.

Origin of a State

A state arises from individuals' inability to be self-sufficient.

Minimum State

The minimum state consists of four or five men with different occupations.

Benefits of Specialization

Specialization enhances productivity; individuals should focus on one trade.

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State Components

A functional state needs farmers, craftsmen, merchants, ship-owners and hired laborers.

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Origin of War

Source of evils, desires both to individuals and states.

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Guardians' Qualities

Guardians need freedom, skill, aptitude, and civic concern.

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Justice in Society

A just society ensues from each order fulfilling its role.

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Individual Justice

Justice occurs through internal order and harmony.

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Equality of Guardians

Each guardian shall be educated the same, regardless of gender.

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Abolition of Family

Guardian couples are not to set up houses.

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Guardian Selection

Guardians are to produce excellent results.

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Size of state

The state size must be unified.

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Importance of Education

Guardians must watch education

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State Wisdom

The state must be wise as a whole.

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State Corageousness

The state must be courageous.

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Philosophers desire the truth

The philosophers want to see the the truth.

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To Aim for the Greatest Possible Happiness

To secure the greatest possible happiness for the community as a whole.

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Study Notes

  • Socrates discusses social organization and specializations

The Republic

  • Socrates speaks with Adeimantus about organizing society and its functions
  • Imagine trying to read an inscription from afar; it's easier to see the larger version first
  • Justice can exist in a community or an individual, but it's larger and easier to spot in a community
  • Imagine a state coming into being; it starts because individuals can't meet all their needs alone
  • People offer help and form a settlement where each person provides what they can in exchange for their needs
  • Now, imagine an ideal state from the beginning: food, housing, and clothing are the greatest and first needs
  • At least one farmer, builder, and weaver are needed, plus a shoemaker for personal needs
  • A minimum state consists of just four or five people
  • Should each person contribute their work to a shared pool, or should each person focus on meeting their own needs and divide their labor?
  • Sharing is easier, since people have different skills, some better suited for specific jobs
  • Doing one job well is better than dabbling in many because work must be done at the right time as the work won't wait as individuals have time for it
  • More people will be needed than just the essentials because farmer needs a plough
  • The tools people need require carpenters, smiths, and craftsmen to be included in a state
  • Farmers will need cowherds and shepherds for plough animals, draught-animals, wool, and leather, so a larger state is required
  • City will need imports, so traders and merchants are needed
  • City will need ship-owners to manage the trade
  • Marketplace and currency will be needed to exchange goods
  • Shopkeepers needed to wait steady in one location to buy and sell goods from merchants
  • Hired labourers will be needed to assist with the physical strength and heavy work labour
  • A state now needs to consider land for pasture and have enough to not be in deficiency
  • Need to consider neighbors and defend themselves against the desire for limitless wealth
  • War stems from individuals' and states' excessive desires, causing great harm
  • An army must be included for defence
  • Guardians of the state protect citizens and property, needing freedom, skill, practice, and aptitude
  • One must define natural talents to find appropriate people for each role
  • To make the best guardians, one requires swift, strong, spirited, and philosophic individuals

Who Should Rule?

  • Elders hold authority over the young, therefore best must be rulers
  • Like the best farmers, the best guardians care for the commonwealth with intelligence and concern
  • Guardians must be zealous for the commonwealth's good and protect from harm
  • Proof against delusion should be used as well as memories being held firm
  • Subject guardians to ordeals of toil, pain, pleasure and terrifying situations
  • Well in these trials need to be rulers who receive highest tributes
  • Ensures no external foes have power or internal foes with harm
  • Auxiliaries enforce decisions of the Rulers

Convenient Fictions

  • Convenient fictions would ensure commitment to the state
  • Rulers, soldiers, and the community should only be experienced by nurture and education
  • Reality is they were in earth being moulded and fostered, and at last sent from the womb
  • Dwellers must see the land dwealt in as a mother to all citizens
  • All in the land are brothers, but god mixed gold in those who are fit to rule, precious
  • God mixes silver in the Auxiliaries, and iron and brass in farmers and craftsment
  • Children will generally be like their parents; sometimes different
  • They must watch what is mixed in the souls of the children
  • With children of iron or brass, assigned to those stations with nature
  • With children of silver or gold, they promote those to those roles
  • Prophecy states ruin will come when a man of iron or brass takes over the state
  • Take precaution against treating citizens poorly causing tyranny
  • Ensure dwellings meet the need for this situation
  • Not one to have dwelling or store-house that is not open for all to enter at will
  • Their food is from the other that the barest necessities fixed so there shall be just enough for the year with nothing over
  • They have meals in common and all live together like soldiers in a camp
  • Not needing gold or silver, having the divine counterparts of those metal purity makes them the saviours of the commonwealth
  • Lose land and houses and money, becoming tyrants being at emity
  • Hating what is hating and people will go against a life in much turmoil

State Laws

  • Guardians must try to keep to neither a unity nor in one that seems great but has no unity
  • Duty mentioned earlier is moving down any interior promoting into the other classes
  • Citizens one task for which he fitted him
  • If they will to the one great thing education and nurture
  • Sees through the matters as well wives and children
  • Friends have all things in common where possible
  • Community has makes a sound system of nurture and education

Community Growth

  • Generates men of good disposition with development
  • Watch over to overlook from least fraction against any innovation from rule established system of mind of body
  • Our children's pastimes must keep from first with stricter bounded
  • Licence is admitted that they will catch spirit and conduct in will conducted
  • Attend doings foster growth, restoring decayed
  • Consequence in behaviour or later to what the bent given by education with things that always has

Government

  • Government can be like the state of health matters, such as overreaching a set of rights
  • Invalid states form of government change in constitution and those for the ill for the greater, good

The Composition of a State

  • Having good likes it lines is good
  • Just have with the wise and very intelligence
  • The state is one that it seems wisdom comes to the sight of those wise
  • The best with knowledge resides in the order
  • Wisdoms, courage, and temperance are all required for the perfect state

Qualities Still Remain

  • Made in our state out in the object and subject
  • Can we see it without it troubling ourselves
  • The harmony of qualities did not mean what they did
  • Surely meant the meaning what was going of it with the phrase and the same way
  • The phrase to the man in part as the better and worse
  • Have power that is the first to now in newly created to be conditions

Temperance

  • There that is there and there
  • That they state is what so
  • In any have the all
  • To where in in as all
  • Those to a have to the
  • On to the a there and then as
  • Must to the have from the if to make its from to then in that and will to

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