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According to the Athenians, what primary concern dictates their actions towards the Melians?
According to the Athenians, what primary concern dictates their actions towards the Melians?
What best describes the Melians' initial proposal to the Athenians?
What best describes the Melians' initial proposal to the Athenians?
Why do the Athenians reject the Melians' offer of neutrality?
Why do the Athenians reject the Melians' offer of neutrality?
What is the Athenian perspective on the concept of right and wrong in their interactions with other states?
What is the Athenian perspective on the concept of right and wrong in their interactions with other states?
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According to the Athenians, what makes the subjugation of Melos particularly important?
According to the Athenians, what makes the subjugation of Melos particularly important?
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How do the Athenians frame their actions as beneficial to both themselves and the Melians?
How do the Athenians frame their actions as beneficial to both themselves and the Melians?
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What fear do the Athenians express regarding internal threats to their empire?
What fear do the Athenians express regarding internal threats to their empire?
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What concept do the Athenians invoke to justify their treatment of states that resist their dominion?
What concept do the Athenians invoke to justify their treatment of states that resist their dominion?
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According to the Athenians, what should the Melians focus on to save their city?
According to the Athenians, what should the Melians focus on to save their city?
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What do the Athenians say they will not do in their discussion with the Melians?
What do the Athenians say they will not do in their discussion with the Melians?
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According to the Athenians, what determines the standard of justice when practical matters are discussed?
According to the Athenians, what determines the standard of justice when practical matters are discussed?
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What principle do the Melians wish the Athenians would not destroy for the good of all men?
What principle do the Melians wish the Athenians would not destroy for the good of all men?
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What do the Melians say is 'natural and understandable' for those in their position?
What do the Melians say is 'natural and understandable' for those in their position?
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What are the Melians willing to do in order to proceed with the discussion?
What are the Melians willing to do in order to proceed with the discussion?
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Why do the Athenians believe they have the right to their empire?
Why do the Athenians believe they have the right to their empire?
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What does the phrase 'the strong do what they have the power to do and the weak accept what they have to accept.' imply?
What does the phrase 'the strong do what they have the power to do and the weak accept what they have to accept.' imply?
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What was the initial request made by the Melians to the Athenians?
What was the initial request made by the Melians to the Athenians?
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What did the Athenians accuse the Melians of believing?
What did the Athenians accuse the Melians of believing?
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What strategic action did the Athenians take after the Melians refused to submit?
What strategic action did the Athenians take after the Melians refused to submit?
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What was the outcome of the siege for the Melians?
What was the outcome of the siege for the Melians?
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What was the fate of Melos after the Athenian conquest?
What was the fate of Melos after the Athenian conquest?
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What is suggested as a poor choice in the face of obvious danger?
What is suggested as a poor choice in the face of obvious danger?
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What did the Melians trust in to help them in their situation?
What did the Melians trust in to help them in their situation?
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What do the Athenians imply will happen to neutral states if they continue their current actions?
What do the Athenians imply will happen to neutral states if they continue their current actions?
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What can be inferred as a significant factor in making decisions about survival?
What can be inferred as a significant factor in making decisions about survival?
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According to the discussion, what should one be careful to avoid when making decisions?
According to the discussion, what should one be careful to avoid when making decisions?
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According to the Melians, what would be considered cowardly behavior?
According to the Melians, what would be considered cowardly behavior?
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How do the Athenians perceive the threat from subjects who have been constrained by their empire?
How do the Athenians perceive the threat from subjects who have been constrained by their empire?
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What was the Melians' response to the Athenian proposal?
What was the Melians' response to the Athenian proposal?
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Which statement reflects the Melians' view on maintaining their freedom?
Which statement reflects the Melians' view on maintaining their freedom?
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What is indicated as a safe rule when engaging with others of different status?
What is indicated as a safe rule when engaging with others of different status?
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What underlying theme is evident in the choices facing the Melians?
What underlying theme is evident in the choices facing the Melians?
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According to the Athenians, what is a characteristic of hope in the context of conflict?
According to the Athenians, what is a characteristic of hope in the context of conflict?
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What is suggested about the relationship between pride and decision-making?
What is suggested about the relationship between pride and decision-making?
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What do the Melians hope will compensate for their lack of power against the Athenians?
What do the Melians hope will compensate for their lack of power against the Athenians?
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What do the Athenians believe about fighting against much stronger opponents?
What do the Athenians believe about fighting against much stronger opponents?
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How do the Athenians justify their actions in the conflict?
How do the Athenians justify their actions in the conflict?
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What rationale do the Melians use to justify continuing the struggle?
What rationale do the Melians use to justify continuing the struggle?
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What attitude do the Athenians display towards the Melians' reliance on Spartan aid?
What attitude do the Athenians display towards the Melians' reliance on Spartan aid?
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What do the Athenians prioritize over the concepts of honor and fair fighting?
What do the Athenians prioritize over the concepts of honor and fair fighting?
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What do the Melians believe gives them a moral advantage against the Athenians?
What do the Melians believe gives them a moral advantage against the Athenians?
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According to the Athenians, what is a characteristic behavior of the Spartans?
According to the Athenians, what is a characteristic behavior of the Spartans?
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What common mistake does the speaker warn against when facing adversity?
What common mistake does the speaker warn against when facing adversity?
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What does the speaker imply about hope when faced with adversity?
What does the speaker imply about hope when faced with adversity?
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Which principle do the Athenians assert they are following?
Which principle do the Athenians assert they are following?
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Flashcards
Submission
Submission
The act of accepting terms offered by a stronger power in order to avoid conflict.
False Sense of Honor
False Sense of Honor
A belief that one's actions are justified by a sense of honor, even if those actions are unwise or harmful.
Athens
Athens
A powerful city-state that was known for its military strength and political influence in ancient Greece.
Alliance
Alliance
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Tribute
Tribute
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Liberty
Liberty
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Great City
Great City
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Sparta
Sparta
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Why did the Athenians think the Melians' decision was foolish?
Why did the Athenians think the Melians' decision was foolish?
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What was the Melians' decision?
What was the Melians' decision?
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How did the Athenians react to the Melians' response?
How did the Athenians react to the Melians' response?
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What happened after the Melians refused to yield?
What happened after the Melians refused to yield?
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What was the outcome of the siege of Melos?
What was the outcome of the siege of Melos?
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Natural Law of Ruling
Natural Law of Ruling
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Athenian Realism
Athenian Realism
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Spartan Honour and Kinship
Spartan Honour and Kinship
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Athenian Critique of Spartan Honour
Athenian Critique of Spartan Honour
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Melian Confidence
Melian Confidence
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Athenian Condescending Tone
Athenian Condescending Tone
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Athenian Justification for Action
Athenian Justification for Action
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Spartan Self-interest
Spartan Self-interest
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Domino theory of empire
Domino theory of empire
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Avoid resisting the powerful
Avoid resisting the powerful
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Hope in resistance against odds
Hope in resistance against odds
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Neutral states will become enemies
Neutral states will become enemies
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Imperialism
Imperialism
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Islanders are more vulnerable
Islanders are more vulnerable
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Unequal power dynamics
Unequal power dynamics
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Freedom over slavery
Freedom over slavery
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The Imperial Principle
The Imperial Principle
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Strength in Power
Strength in Power
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Demonstrating Power through Aggression
Demonstrating Power through Aggression
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No Neutrality in Empire
No Neutrality in Empire
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Conquering As a Deterrent
Conquering As a Deterrent
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Justifying Empire Expansion
Justifying Empire Expansion
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Islanders as a Threat
Islanders as a Threat
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Justice and Imperialism
Justice and Imperialism
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The Power Dictates Morality
The Power Dictates Morality
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Athenian Justification for Conquest
Athenian Justification for Conquest
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Melian Argument for Justice
Melian Argument for Justice
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Athenian Dismissal of Melian Expectations
Athenian Dismissal of Melian Expectations
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Melian Hope for Spartan Intervention
Melian Hope for Spartan Intervention
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Irrelevance of Neutrality for Athenians
Irrelevance of Neutrality for Athenians
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Melian Desire for Survival
Melian Desire for Survival
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Athenian Confidence in Outcome
Athenian Confidence in Outcome
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Study Notes
The Melian Dialogue
- The Athenians, with allies, launched an expedition against Melos, a Spartan colony,
- Melians initially remained neutral but later resisted joining the Athenian empire
- Athenian representatives met with Melian representatives to negotiate.
- Athenians argued that power dictates actions; the strong do as they will, and the weak accept what's imposed.
- Melians countered that justice and fairness are crucial principles for all, even in war.
- They cited their neutrality and hoped in Spartan support.
- The Athenians insisted on Melos' surrender, refusal meant war and slavery.
- Melians argued that their resistance would serve as a lesson.
- Athenians countered that their victory would serve as an example of power.
- Athenians stressed their superior military and naval power.
- Athenians rejected Melos' plea for neutrality, asserting their right to the empire.
- Melos prioritized freedom and independence over surrender to Athenian dominion,
- Ultimately, Melos was conquered, with men killed, women & children enslaved, and the island colonized.
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Explore the key themes and arguments within the Melian Dialogue, where the Athenians and Melians engage in a tense discussion over power, justice, and neutrality. This important philosophical text addresses the dynamics of strength and morality during conflict. Delve into the principles that guide decision-making in times of war and the implications for independence and surrender.