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Why is it important to understand probability in the context of medical diagnosis, according to the lecture?
Why is it important to understand probability in the context of medical diagnosis, according to the lecture?
Understanding probability, especially how biases can distort our perception of it, helps in making accurate medical diagnoses.
Explain the significance of determining 'useful pretest probabilities' in medical decision-making.
Explain the significance of determining 'useful pretest probabilities' in medical decision-making.
Determining useful pretest probabilities provides a baseline for assessing the likelihood of a condition before any tests are conducted, aiding in appropriate test selection and interpretation.
What is the range used to express probability, and how are percentages related to this range?
What is the range used to express probability, and how are percentages related to this range?
Probability is expressed on a scale of 0 to 1 (or 0 to 100%). A probability of 1 is equivalent to 100%, representing certainty, while 0 is equivalent to 0%, representing impossibility.
According to the lecture, why is achieving complete certainty (100% or 0%) considered unattainable through rational updating of views?
According to the lecture, why is achieving complete certainty (100% or 0%) considered unattainable through rational updating of views?
Differentiate between pretest and post-test probability, and explain why understanding this difference is crucial in medicine.
Differentiate between pretest and post-test probability, and explain why understanding this difference is crucial in medicine.
Why is it recommended to use research for determining pretest probabilities instead of relying solely on personal judgment?
Why is it recommended to use research for determining pretest probabilities instead of relying solely on personal judgment?
Explain how Bayesian probability (or Bayesian updating) is relevant to medical diagnosis, based on the lecture.
Explain how Bayesian probability (or Bayesian updating) is relevant to medical diagnosis, based on the lecture.
Describe a scenario where a misunderstanding of pretest probability could lead to a misdiagnosis or inappropriate medical decision.
Describe a scenario where a misunderstanding of pretest probability could lead to a misdiagnosis or inappropriate medical decision.
Why does beginning with a 100% certainty about something make it difficult to change your mind, regardless of evidence?
Why does beginning with a 100% certainty about something make it difficult to change your mind, regardless of evidence?
What skills might older clinicians lack that could lead to variability in estimates of disease risk?
What skills might older clinicians lack that could lead to variability in estimates of disease risk?
What is the primary goal of the course, beyond performing calculations?
What is the primary goal of the course, beyond performing calculations?
What are the potential negative consequences for naturopathic doctors who consistently overestimate certain diseases?
What are the potential negative consequences for naturopathic doctors who consistently overestimate certain diseases?
What is one thing the text suggests to improve your sense of intuition in everyday life?
What is one thing the text suggests to improve your sense of intuition in everyday life?
What should you consider when trying to think of a pretest probability?
What should you consider when trying to think of a pretest probability?
To change someone's mind from a high level of certainty, what is needed?
To change someone's mind from a high level of certainty, what is needed?
What ability of clinicians does overestimation of disease risk impact?
What ability of clinicians does overestimation of disease risk impact?
What does the course aim to help students avoid?
What does the course aim to help students avoid?
What factors determine the consequences for being wrong in a clinical setting?
What factors determine the consequences for being wrong in a clinical setting?
What is one practical strategy for thinking probabilistically in everyday life, as mentioned in the text?
What is one practical strategy for thinking probabilistically in everyday life, as mentioned in the text?
In the context of pretest probability, what does the concept of 'reference classes' involve?
In the context of pretest probability, what does the concept of 'reference classes' involve?
What is a potential outcome of clinicians misunderstanding how diagnostic tests influence the probability of disease?
What is a potential outcome of clinicians misunderstanding how diagnostic tests influence the probability of disease?
What is one potential pitfall of practicing in an extremely padded environment?
What is one potential pitfall of practicing in an extremely padded environment?
Besides formal calculations, what broader skill does the course aim to cultivate in its students?
Besides formal calculations, what broader skill does the course aim to cultivate in its students?
Why is it mathematically incorrect to claim 100% certainty about something?
Why is it mathematically incorrect to claim 100% certainty about something?
According to the lecture, is it necessary to be 100% certain before acting or making a decision? Explain briefly.
According to the lecture, is it necessary to be 100% certain before acting or making a decision? Explain briefly.
What are the two extremes of probability that both represent complete certainty?
What are the two extremes of probability that both represent complete certainty?
What is the primary benefit of explicitly considering probability in decision-making?
What is the primary benefit of explicitly considering probability in decision-making?
According to the speaker, what two things should you know in order to properly asses probability?
According to the speaker, what two things should you know in order to properly asses probability?
What are some potential benefits of communicating probability estimates to patients, according to the speaker?
What are some potential benefits of communicating probability estimates to patients, according to the speaker?
Why might sharing probability information with a patient not be wise?
Why might sharing probability information with a patient not be wise?
What was the general focus of the two papers discussed in the lecture regarding clinicians and probability assessment?
What was the general focus of the two papers discussed in the lecture regarding clinicians and probability assessment?
In the 2021 paper discussed, what was the main finding regarding clinicians' estimation of probability before testing?
In the 2021 paper discussed, what was the main finding regarding clinicians' estimation of probability before testing?
Name three cognitive biases that may have contributed to the overestimation of probabilities by clinicians in the 2021 paper.
Name three cognitive biases that may have contributed to the overestimation of probabilities by clinicians in the 2021 paper.
Explain the meaning of 'base rate neglect' in the context of the study.
Explain the meaning of 'base rate neglect' in the context of the study.
In the context of probability and decision-making, how might confirmation bias affect a clinician's assessment?
In the context of probability and decision-making, how might confirmation bias affect a clinician's assessment?
What does 'anchoring bias' refer to in the context of probability assessment?
What does 'anchoring bias' refer to in the context of probability assessment?
In the studies discussed, clinicians were asked to estimate probabilities before receiving test results. What name is given to this probability?
In the studies discussed, clinicians were asked to estimate probabilities before receiving test results. What name is given to this probability?
Explain in 1-2 sentences how clinicians assessed probability in the 2021 study.
Explain in 1-2 sentences how clinicians assessed probability in the 2021 study.
According to Chris Roberts, what is the implication when someone claims in an argument that 'you're biased'?
According to Chris Roberts, what is the implication when someone claims in an argument that 'you're biased'?
Why, from an evolutionary perspective, do humans have biases?
Why, from an evolutionary perspective, do humans have biases?
Describe the key point of the optical illusion with lines of equal length but appearing different.
Describe the key point of the optical illusion with lines of equal length but appearing different.
What is Roberts's key point about knowing the cognitive bias?
What is Roberts's key point about knowing the cognitive bias?
How does Chris Roberts use the analogy of a 'book of illusions' to describe medicine?
How does Chris Roberts use the analogy of a 'book of illusions' to describe medicine?
In the context of avoiding cognitive biases, what does Chris Roberts mean by 'bring along your ruler'?
In the context of avoiding cognitive biases, what does Chris Roberts mean by 'bring along your ruler'?
According to Chris Roberts, in what situations is it especially important to avoid cognitive biases, and why?
According to Chris Roberts, in what situations is it especially important to avoid cognitive biases, and why?
According to Roberts, what should someone do to prepare to look at a book of illusions?
According to Roberts, what should someone do to prepare to look at a book of illusions?
According to to Chris Roberts, what is meant when someone says you're biased?
According to to Chris Roberts, what is meant when someone says you're biased?
What is biases tilt toward?
What is biases tilt toward?
Why did it help to have biases at some point in evolutionary history?
Why did it help to have biases at some point in evolutionary history?
How does the illusion of the two lines relate to cognitive biases?
How does the illusion of the two lines relate to cognitive biases?
What does Roberts say he has in the bottom right hand corner of the slide?
What does Roberts say he has in the bottom right hand corner of the slide?
What book does Chris Roberts recommend to give a 'really good intuitive sense' of the material?
What book does Chris Roberts recommend to give a 'really good intuitive sense' of the material?
According to Chris Roberts, what happens if you are confused about most of your life?
According to Chris Roberts, what happens if you are confused about most of your life?
In the context of the pneumonia treatment scenario, what were the potential negative consequences of clinicians being 100% certain of a diagnosis when only a fraction of patients actually had the condition?
In the context of the pneumonia treatment scenario, what were the potential negative consequences of clinicians being 100% certain of a diagnosis when only a fraction of patients actually had the condition?
Why is communicating well about something untrue considered worse than not communicating at all in the context of shared decision-making?
Why is communicating well about something untrue considered worse than not communicating at all in the context of shared decision-making?
In the Tia et al. (2004) study, what three clinical scenarios were presented to clinicians to assess their probability estimation skills?
In the Tia et al. (2004) study, what three clinical scenarios were presented to clinicians to assess their probability estimation skills?
According to the Tia et al. study, how did the probability estimates of clinicians in Australia and the UK generally compare for the three clinical scenarios?
According to the Tia et al. study, how did the probability estimates of clinicians in Australia and the UK generally compare for the three clinical scenarios?
In the stroke risk scenario, what was a notable observation regarding the range of probability estimates provided by clinicians?
In the stroke risk scenario, what was a notable observation regarding the range of probability estimates provided by clinicians?
What 'worrying observation' did Tia et al. note regarding clinicians' pretest probability assessments, and what was the charitable explanation offered for this?
What 'worrying observation' did Tia et al. note regarding clinicians' pretest probability assessments, and what was the charitable explanation offered for this?
How can heuristics negatively impact probability estimation, as suggested by the clinician's cautious attitude?
How can heuristics negatively impact probability estimation, as suggested by the clinician's cautious attitude?
What is the problem with a method of operating that relies solely on test orders having powerful negative likelihood ratios?
What is the problem with a method of operating that relies solely on test orders having powerful negative likelihood ratios?
What is the risk of 'medication of abuse and excessive procedures' in the context of diagnostic certainty?
What is the risk of 'medication of abuse and excessive procedures' in the context of diagnostic certainty?
How might errors in estimating probabilities 'corrupt shared decision making' with patients?
How might errors in estimating probabilities 'corrupt shared decision making' with patients?
Why is it more harmful to be a 'great communicator about falsehoods' than to not communicate effectively at all?
Why is it more harmful to be a 'great communicator about falsehoods' than to not communicate effectively at all?
What was the general trend observed in clinicians' probability estimates for ischemic heart disease (IHD) and deep vein thrombosis (DVT) in the Tia et al. study?
What was the general trend observed in clinicians' probability estimates for ischemic heart disease (IHD) and deep vein thrombosis (DVT) in the Tia et al. study?
What does it mean for clinicians to be 'not particularly well calibrated when it comes to probability'?
What does it mean for clinicians to be 'not particularly well calibrated when it comes to probability'?
How might the assumption that 'all patients have a disease until proven otherwise' lead to 'worryingly miscalibrated probability estimate'?
How might the assumption that 'all patients have a disease until proven otherwise' lead to 'worryingly miscalibrated probability estimate'?
According to the excerpt, what is a 'negative likelihood ratio' and how is it used?
According to the excerpt, what is a 'negative likelihood ratio' and how is it used?
In the pneumonia study, what information was initially provided to practitioners before they were asked to estimate the probability of a patient having pneumonia?
In the pneumonia study, what information was initially provided to practitioners before they were asked to estimate the probability of a patient having pneumonia?
After the practitioners received a positive chest X-ray result, how did they generally revise their probability estimates for the patient having pneumonia, according to the study?
After the practitioners received a positive chest X-ray result, how did they generally revise their probability estimates for the patient having pneumonia, according to the study?
Describe the discrepancy observed between the practitioners' probability revisions after a negative chest X-ray result and the 'rationally correct' range.
Describe the discrepancy observed between the practitioners' probability revisions after a negative chest X-ray result and the 'rationally correct' range.
Why might practitioners' overestimation of pre-test probability, as observed in the study, lead to medication overuse?
Why might practitioners' overestimation of pre-test probability, as observed in the study, lead to medication overuse?
What might a probability estimate of 50% indicate, according to Dr. Roberts, and why is it potentially problematic?
What might a probability estimate of 50% indicate, according to Dr. Roberts, and why is it potentially problematic?
What was notably 'suspicious' about some practitioners' initial pretest probability estimates in the pneumonia study?
What was notably 'suspicious' about some practitioners' initial pretest probability estimates in the pneumonia study?
According to Dr. Roberts, what is a significant implication of overestimated probabilities in healthcare decision-making?
According to Dr. Roberts, what is a significant implication of overestimated probabilities in healthcare decision-making?
In the context of the pneumonia study, describe what practitioners were asked to do after being given information about the patient but before seeing any test results (like an X-ray).
In the context of the pneumonia study, describe what practitioners were asked to do after being given information about the patient but before seeing any test results (like an X-ray).
Explain why starting with a pretest probability estimate of 100% for pneumonia can be problematic in clinical decision-making.
Explain why starting with a pretest probability estimate of 100% for pneumonia can be problematic in clinical decision-making.
Why did Dr. Roberts suggest that bumps at probabilities like 60%, 80%, and 90% might appear on the graphs showing practitioners' estimates?
Why did Dr. Roberts suggest that bumps at probabilities like 60%, 80%, and 90% might appear on the graphs showing practitioners' estimates?
Even after a negative test result, some practitioners in the study were still 100% certain that the patient had pneumonia, according to Dr. Roberts. Why is that concerning?
Even after a negative test result, some practitioners in the study were still 100% certain that the patient had pneumonia, according to Dr. Roberts. Why is that concerning?
Describe the difference between the colored rectangles and the gray blobs on the graphs presented by Chris Roberts. What does each one represent?
Describe the difference between the colored rectangles and the gray blobs on the graphs presented by Chris Roberts. What does each one represent?
What does Chris Roberts suggest about the practitioners, based on their distributed estimates of probability, after learning of a negative X-ray result?
What does Chris Roberts suggest about the practitioners, based on their distributed estimates of probability, after learning of a negative X-ray result?
Explain how the results of the pneumonia study highlight potential issues in the application of Bayesian reasoning in clinical practice.
Explain how the results of the pneumonia study highlight potential issues in the application of Bayesian reasoning in clinical practice.
What might be a potential intervention strategy to address the issues identified in the pneumonia study regarding probability estimation among practitioners?
What might be a potential intervention strategy to address the issues identified in the pneumonia study regarding probability estimation among practitioners?
Define 'representativeness' as it relates to cognitive bias, according to Chris Roberts.
Define 'representativeness' as it relates to cognitive bias, according to Chris Roberts.
In the 'Steve' example, what characteristics are used to describe Steve?
In the 'Steve' example, what characteristics are used to describe Steve?
Why do most people initially assume Steve is a librarian in the presented scenario?
Why do most people initially assume Steve is a librarian in the presented scenario?
What is the base rate or baseline probability mentioned in the context of the 'librarian or farmer' problem, and why is it important?
What is the base rate or baseline probability mentioned in the context of the 'librarian or farmer' problem, and why is it important?
Explain how considering baseline probability changes the conclusion regarding Steve's profession.
Explain how considering baseline probability changes the conclusion regarding Steve's profession.
According to Chris Roberts, what initial step should one take to avoid representativeness bias in the 'librarian or farmer' problem?
According to Chris Roberts, what initial step should one take to avoid representativeness bias in the 'librarian or farmer' problem?
How does the presenter suggest one might estimate baseline probabilities in everyday life?
How does the presenter suggest one might estimate baseline probabilities in everyday life?
In the 'Steve' example, what arguments could be made to support the idea that Steve is a farmer despite the librarian stereotype?
In the 'Steve' example, what arguments could be made to support the idea that Steve is a farmer despite the librarian stereotype?
What does the presenter imply when he says that people can justify both sides of the 'librarian or farmer' argument?
What does the presenter imply when he says that people can justify both sides of the 'librarian or farmer' argument?
What is the key takeaway from the 'Steve' example regarding judgment and decision-making?
What is the key takeaway from the 'Steve' example regarding judgment and decision-making?
In medical terms, what does the presenter equate to baseline probability?
In medical terms, what does the presenter equate to baseline probability?
Explain why the odds of 20 to 1 in favor of farmers means you would need 'really compelling evidence' to consider Steve being a librarian?
Explain why the odds of 20 to 1 in favor of farmers means you would need 'really compelling evidence' to consider Steve being a librarian?
What type of research should be conducted to counteract bias?
What type of research should be conducted to counteract bias?
Name the book in which the Steve/Librarian question was published.
Name the book in which the Steve/Librarian question was published.
If a person argues that Steve must be a librarian because he is shy and withdrawn, what is the flaw in that reasoning?
If a person argues that Steve must be a librarian because he is shy and withdrawn, what is the flaw in that reasoning?
According to the speaker, is it more feasible to unlearn biases or to simply be aware of them and prepared to combat them? Why?
According to the speaker, is it more feasible to unlearn biases or to simply be aware of them and prepared to combat them? Why?
What does the speaker suggest you should question about evidence?
What does the speaker suggest you should question about evidence?
Briefly explain the difference between pretest and post-test probability.
Briefly explain the difference between pretest and post-test probability.
If you perform a second test, what happens to the initial post-test probability?
If you perform a second test, what happens to the initial post-test probability?
In the marathon metaphor, what do the starting line, finish line (threshold), and energy represent?
In the marathon metaphor, what do the starting line, finish line (threshold), and energy represent?
What is the definition of a 'good reference class'?
What is the definition of a 'good reference class'?
Why is the prevalence of a disease in a population considered a 'basic reference class'?
Why is the prevalence of a disease in a population considered a 'basic reference class'?
How can knowing you have biases help you practically?
How can knowing you have biases help you practically?
Explain how base rates are used in Bayesian reasoning.
Explain how base rates are used in Bayesian reasoning.
In the context of pretest probability, why is it important to start with a 'good' one?
In the context of pretest probability, why is it important to start with a 'good' one?
Relate the zebra/horse example to pretest probability.
Relate the zebra/horse example to pretest probability.
In the context of medical testing, what is the significance of understanding pretest probability before ordering a diagnostic test?
In the context of medical testing, what is the significance of understanding pretest probability before ordering a diagnostic test?
How does Bayesian thinking encourage a more disciplined approach to decision-making when evaluating evidence?
How does Bayesian thinking encourage a more disciplined approach to decision-making when evaluating evidence?
How can the concept of pretest probability be applied to everyday decision-making outside of medical contexts?
How can the concept of pretest probability be applied to everyday decision-making outside of medical contexts?
Why is it crucial to avoid assuming that evidence is always compelling when making decisions based on Bayesian reasoning?
Why is it crucial to avoid assuming that evidence is always compelling when making decisions based on Bayesian reasoning?
According to Kahneman, what common mistake do people make when assessing probabilities, and what mental shortcut do they often use instead?
According to Kahneman, what common mistake do people make when assessing probabilities, and what mental shortcut do they often use instead?
What is 'representativeness' as described in the lecture, and how can it lead to cognitive bias when assessing probability?
What is 'representativeness' as described in the lecture, and how can it lead to cognitive bias when assessing probability?
How might a physician's assumption about patients of a specific background (e.g., indigenous) exemplify the bias of representativeness?
How might a physician's assumption about patients of a specific background (e.g., indigenous) exemplify the bias of representativeness?
Why is it important to remember that race and socioeconomic status are not 'zero information' in diagnosis, but should not be 'overweighted'?
Why is it important to remember that race and socioeconomic status are not 'zero information' in diagnosis, but should not be 'overweighted'?
Explain the statement: 'An uncommon presentation of a common disease is more likely than a common presentation of a rare disease.'
Explain the statement: 'An uncommon presentation of a common disease is more likely than a common presentation of a rare disease.'
How does relying solely on pattern matching (or representativeness) oversimplify the diagnostic process?
How does relying solely on pattern matching (or representativeness) oversimplify the diagnostic process?
What does the phrase 'when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras' mean in the context of medical diagnosis, and how does it relate to pretest probabilities?
What does the phrase 'when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras' mean in the context of medical diagnosis, and how does it relate to pretest probabilities?
How can awareness of cognitive biases, such as representativeness, improve diagnostic accuracy for medical professionals?
How can awareness of cognitive biases, such as representativeness, improve diagnostic accuracy for medical professionals?
In the context of the 'meek and tidy soul' example, how does representativeness lead to a potentially incorrect judgment about whether the person is a librarian or a farmer?
In the context of the 'meek and tidy soul' example, how does representativeness lead to a potentially incorrect judgment about whether the person is a librarian or a farmer?
Why is using representativeness as a 'starting place' acceptable, but not as a 'finish line' in diagnosis?
Why is using representativeness as a 'starting place' acceptable, but not as a 'finish line' in diagnosis?
Explain how overvaluing certain factors like race or socioeconomic status in illness scripts can hinder accurate diagnoses.
Explain how overvaluing certain factors like race or socioeconomic status in illness scripts can hinder accurate diagnoses.
How does the concept of 'pretest probabilities' counteract the potential pitfalls of representativeness in medical diagnosis?
How does the concept of 'pretest probabilities' counteract the potential pitfalls of representativeness in medical diagnosis?
What steps can a medical professional take to mitigate the influence of cognitive biases like representativeness in their diagnostic reasoning?
What steps can a medical professional take to mitigate the influence of cognitive biases like representativeness in their diagnostic reasoning?
Besides medical settings, in what other professional scenarios might the principle of 'horses, not zebras' be applicable, and why?
Besides medical settings, in what other professional scenarios might the principle of 'horses, not zebras' be applicable, and why?
Can you describe a situation where relying solely on pattern matching could lead to a missed diagnosis or misjudgment?
Can you describe a situation where relying solely on pattern matching could lead to a missed diagnosis or misjudgment?
Why might relying solely on prevalence data for conditions that frequently lead individuals to seek medical attention result in an underestimation of the true prevalence?
Why might relying solely on prevalence data for conditions that frequently lead individuals to seek medical attention result in an underestimation of the true prevalence?
Explain why prevalence data is less useful for acute conditions compared to chronic conditions when estimating pretest probability.
Explain why prevalence data is less useful for acute conditions compared to chronic conditions when estimating pretest probability.
Describe the importance of selecting a relevant reference class when using prevalence data to estimate the pretest probability of a disease in a patient.
Describe the importance of selecting a relevant reference class when using prevalence data to estimate the pretest probability of a disease in a patient.
Why is it more useful to know the eventual diagnoses of patients presenting to clinical settings with a particular symptom versus the prevalence of that symptom in the general population?
Why is it more useful to know the eventual diagnoses of patients presenting to clinical settings with a particular symptom versus the prevalence of that symptom in the general population?
What are the drawbacks of using studies that give the eventual diagnosis in patients presenting to different clinical settings with a particular concern?
What are the drawbacks of using studies that give the eventual diagnosis in patients presenting to different clinical settings with a particular concern?
Explain why incidence is not a good substitute for prevalence when estimating pretest probability. What does incidence measure, and why is it less suitable?
Explain why incidence is not a good substitute for prevalence when estimating pretest probability. What does incidence measure, and why is it less suitable?
Why is using 'lifetime prevalence' not helpful when trying to determine the pretest probability of a patient's current condition?
Why is using 'lifetime prevalence' not helpful when trying to determine the pretest probability of a patient's current condition?
Describe a scenario where using the worldwide prevalence of a condition might lead to an overestimation of the pretest probability for a patient in a specific region, such as Canada.
Describe a scenario where using the worldwide prevalence of a condition might lead to an overestimation of the pretest probability for a patient in a specific region, such as Canada.
Explain how gender and age can influence the prevalence of a condition, and why it's important to consider these factors when selecting a reference class.
Explain how gender and age can influence the prevalence of a condition, and why it's important to consider these factors when selecting a reference class.
What are some good considerations when trying to find different reference classes?
What are some good considerations when trying to find different reference classes?
A study shows that out of 1,000 patients who presented with headaches, 200 were eventually diagnosed with migraines. What is the estimated pretest probability that a new patient presenting with a headache has a migraine?
A study shows that out of 1,000 patients who presented with headaches, 200 were eventually diagnosed with migraines. What is the estimated pretest probability that a new patient presenting with a headache has a migraine?
Why is it important to avoid relying solely on large language models like basic versions of Chatgpt for prevalence statistics?
Why is it important to avoid relying solely on large language models like basic versions of Chatgpt for prevalence statistics?
Explain why using prevalence data from a study conducted in a different clinical setting might be inappropriate for estimating pretest probability in your current clinical context.
Explain why using prevalence data from a study conducted in a different clinical setting might be inappropriate for estimating pretest probability in your current clinical context.
If the incidence of a disease is increasing rapidly in a population, does this necessarily mean that the prevalence is also high? Explain why or why not.
If the incidence of a disease is increasing rapidly in a population, does this necessarily mean that the prevalence is also high? Explain why or why not.
Provide an example of a clinical scenario where using prevalence data specific to a subpopulation (e.g., women of childbearing age) would be more appropriate than using general population prevalence data.
Provide an example of a clinical scenario where using prevalence data specific to a subpopulation (e.g., women of childbearing age) would be more appropriate than using general population prevalence data.
When estimating pretest probability, what is one strategy you can use when you have multiple applicable data points for a patient?
When estimating pretest probability, what is one strategy you can use when you have multiple applicable data points for a patient?
Why is it important to revise and update your illness scripts over time?
Why is it important to revise and update your illness scripts over time?
How can prevalence data, specific to a patient's demographics, improve the accuracy of pretest probability assessment?
How can prevalence data, specific to a patient's demographics, improve the accuracy of pretest probability assessment?
A 45-year-old man presents with fatigue. The world prevalence of iron deficiency anemia is 27%, while the Canadian prevalence for men of his age is 3%. If a study shows 5% of patients presenting with fatigue in general practice are diagnosed with anemia (any type), what would be a reasonable range for your pretest probability of iron deficiency anemia in this patient?
A 45-year-old man presents with fatigue. The world prevalence of iron deficiency anemia is 27%, while the Canadian prevalence for men of his age is 3%. If a study shows 5% of patients presenting with fatigue in general practice are diagnosed with anemia (any type), what would be a reasonable range for your pretest probability of iron deficiency anemia in this patient?
Why might the prevalence of a condition among people presenting to general practice with a specific symptom be more useful for estimating pretest probability than the general population prevalence?
Why might the prevalence of a condition among people presenting to general practice with a specific symptom be more useful for estimating pretest probability than the general population prevalence?
A 60-year-old female presents with a cough. The prevalence of chronic bronchitis in the general population is 5%, but a study shows that 20% of patients presenting to general practice with a cough are diagnosed with chronic bronchitis. What pretest probability would be more appropriate to use and why?
A 60-year-old female presents with a cough. The prevalence of chronic bronchitis in the general population is 5%, but a study shows that 20% of patients presenting to general practice with a cough are diagnosed with chronic bronchitis. What pretest probability would be more appropriate to use and why?
A 20 year old female presents with fatigue. Considering only the information in the text, what is a reasonable range to estimate the pretest probability of migraine in this patient?
A 20 year old female presents with fatigue. Considering only the information in the text, what is a reasonable range to estimate the pretest probability of migraine in this patient?
A 50-year-old patient seeing a doctor has anemia of any type with a frequency of 3%. Iron deficiency anemia is a subtype of anemia. Should the pretest probability be higher or lower than 3%? Why?
A 50-year-old patient seeing a doctor has anemia of any type with a frequency of 3%. Iron deficiency anemia is a subtype of anemia. Should the pretest probability be higher or lower than 3%? Why?
Why might the simple prevalence of chest wall pain be unhelpful when seeking the correct diagnosis?
Why might the simple prevalence of chest wall pain be unhelpful when seeking the correct diagnosis?
Why might the percentage of people with chest pain ending up having chest wall pain be good news?
Why might the percentage of people with chest pain ending up having chest wall pain be good news?
A patient who is a female presents with migraines. All other things being equal, should the pretest probability for this information alone be higher or lower relative to a male presenting with migraines?
A patient who is a female presents with migraines. All other things being equal, should the pretest probability for this information alone be higher or lower relative to a male presenting with migraines?
Identify three differentials?
Identify three differentials?
A 30-year-old patient with no significant past medical history presents with mild fatigue. You are considering iron deficiency anemia as a possible diagnosis. You find the following data: global prevalence of iron deficiency anemia is 25%; prevalence of iron deficiency anemia in their country is 5%; prevalence of any anemia in patients presenting with fatigue is 8%. What is a reasonable range for the pretest probability of iron deficiency anemia in this patient, and why?
A 30-year-old patient with no significant past medical history presents with mild fatigue. You are considering iron deficiency anemia as a possible diagnosis. You find the following data: global prevalence of iron deficiency anemia is 25%; prevalence of iron deficiency anemia in their country is 5%; prevalence of any anemia in patients presenting with fatigue is 8%. What is a reasonable range for the pretest probability of iron deficiency anemia in this patient, and why?
A rare disease has a prevalence of 1 in 100,000 in the general population. However, studies show that among patients with a specific set of symptoms, the prevalence increases to 1 in 1,000. A patient presents with these symptoms. How should this information guide your initial approach to estimating the pretest probability of the rare disease?
A rare disease has a prevalence of 1 in 100,000 in the general population. However, studies show that among patients with a specific set of symptoms, the prevalence increases to 1 in 1,000. A patient presents with these symptoms. How should this information guide your initial approach to estimating the pretest probability of the rare disease?
Why should you consider the limitations of the available data when estimating pretest probability, and how might these limitations impact your clinical decision-making?
Why should you consider the limitations of the available data when estimating pretest probability, and how might these limitations impact your clinical decision-making?
Why is lifetime prevalence of a condition, such as anxiety, not particularly helpful when trying to determine pretest probability in a clinical setting?
Why is lifetime prevalence of a condition, such as anxiety, not particularly helpful when trying to determine pretest probability in a clinical setting?
When assessing a patient presenting with chest pain, list the order of diagnoses from most likely to least likely, according to the approximate probabilities discussed.
When assessing a patient presenting with chest pain, list the order of diagnoses from most likely to least likely, according to the approximate probabilities discussed.
What is the danger of relying on 'representativeness' instead of probability when making medical decisions?
What is the danger of relying on 'representativeness' instead of probability when making medical decisions?
Why might studies using terms like 'psychopathology' or 'psychogenic' overestimate the prevalence of anxiety in patients presenting with chest pain?
Why might studies using terms like 'psychopathology' or 'psychogenic' overestimate the prevalence of anxiety in patients presenting with chest pain?
In the context of pretest probability, what makes incidence figures derived from studies of patients presenting to general practice with specific complaints (e.g., chest pain) useful, despite the potential for confusion with true incidence?
In the context of pretest probability, what makes incidence figures derived from studies of patients presenting to general practice with specific complaints (e.g., chest pain) useful, despite the potential for confusion with true incidence?
What is the general recommendation regarding the age of research when looking up prevalence data, and why is this recommendation made?
What is the general recommendation regarding the age of research when looking up prevalence data, and why is this recommendation made?
How can considering probability explicitly aid in medical decision-making?
How can considering probability explicitly aid in medical decision-making?
Name one search strategy that can be used to determine pretest probabilities.
Name one search strategy that can be used to determine pretest probabilities.
What can distort your judgments of subjective probability?
What can distort your judgments of subjective probability?
Why is it important to not use inappropriate or unrepresentative statistics when determining pretest probabilities?
Why is it important to not use inappropriate or unrepresentative statistics when determining pretest probabilities?
If a clinician overestimates the probability of anxiety in a patient with chest pain due to a broader definition of 'psychogenic' causes, what is a potential consequence of this overestimate?
If a clinician overestimates the probability of anxiety in a patient with chest pain due to a broader definition of 'psychogenic' causes, what is a potential consequence of this overestimate?
When assessing the probability of pulmonary embolism in patients presenting to general practice with chest pain, the speaker cites a study finding a prevalence of about 0.1%. Why is it important to consider the context and limitations of this statistic?
When assessing the probability of pulmonary embolism in patients presenting to general practice with chest pain, the speaker cites a study finding a prevalence of about 0.1%. Why is it important to consider the context and limitations of this statistic?
Explain how using pretest probability can prevent premature closure and diagnostic errors.
Explain how using pretest probability can prevent premature closure and diagnostic errors.
Describe a situation where a clinician might inappropriately apply lifetime prevalence data, and explain why it's unsuitable.
Describe a situation where a clinician might inappropriately apply lifetime prevalence data, and explain why it's unsuitable.
How can clinicians improve their estimates of pretest probability?
How can clinicians improve their estimates of pretest probability?
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Probability
Probability
Likelihood of an event, expressed from 0 to 1 (or 0% to 100%).
Bayesian Probability
Bayesian Probability
Probability considering prior knowledge; updates beliefs based on new evidence.
Pretest Probability
Pretest Probability
The probability of a condition before a test is performed.
Post-test Probability
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Determining Pretest Probability
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Probability In Medicine
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Complete Certainty
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Revised Probability
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Overestimation Bias
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Unwarranted Certainty
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100% Pre-test Probability
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Probability Rounding
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Positive Chest X-ray
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Acting Before Certainty
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Probability in Decision-Making
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Sharing Probability with Patients
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Overestimation of Probability
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Shared Decision Making
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Communicating Falsehoods Well
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Ischemic Heart Disease (IHD)
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Miscalibrated Probability Estimate
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Likelihood Ratio
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Powerful Negative Likelihood Ratio
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Unnecessary Treatment
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Stroke
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Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA)
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Certainty and Evidence
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Overestimation Consequences
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Overestimation Costs
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Probabilistic Thinking
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Reference Class
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Analogous Situations
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Negative Likelihood Ratios
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Probability and Intervention
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"Scout Mindset"
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Origin of Biases
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Persistence of Bias
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Rational beings
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Representativeness Bias
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Baseline Probability
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Thinking Probabilistically
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Farmer vs. Librarian Ratio
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Considering Baseline Probability
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Assessing Evidence Strength
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Importance of Baseline
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Counteracting Bias
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Importance of General Research
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Common vs. Rare Diseases
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Assessing representativeness
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Prevalence
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Prevalence in Subpopulations
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Prevalence and Acute Conditions
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Selecting a Reference Class
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Diagnosis by Presentation Studies
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Accounting for Medical Attention
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Limitations of Presentation Studies
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Incidence
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Lifetime Prevalence
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Multiple Reference Classes
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Pretest probability range
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Revising Illness Scripts
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Iron Deficiency Anemia Prevalence
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Pretest Probability Range
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Differentials for chest pain
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Chest Wall Pain
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Prevalence of chest wall pain
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Pulmonary Embolism
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Anxiety prevalence
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Uncertainty in Medicine
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Study Notes
- The lecture focuses on understanding probability in medical diagnosis and how biases can distort subjective probability. The biggest update for people learning probability in medicine is determining pretest probabilities.
Lecture Objectives
- Determine useful pretest and post-test probabilities.
- Avoid common errors in probability assessment.
- Use research to determine pretest probabilities.
- Apply the concept of pretest probability to patient cases.
Understanding Probability
- Probability expresses how likely something is or how likely someone believes it to be.
- It is expressed on a scale of 0 to 100% (or 0 to 1).
- Complete certainty (0% or 100%) is unattainable through rational updating of views.
- Decisions need to be made before reaching 100% certainty.
- Explicitly considering probability helps in weighing decisions under uncertainty.
Probability in Clinical Practice
- Sharing probability estimates with a patient can be wise, depending on the patient and context. Some patients may find comfort in having an estimate of probability.
- Clinicians, especially those trained long ago, may overestimate probabilities due to cognitive biases
- Overestimation is consistent with cognitive biases like base rate neglect, anchoring bias, and confirmation bias.
Analysis of a 2021 Study
- Clinicians were asked to estimate the probability of a condition before and after being given test results (positive or negative).
- The study found general overestimation of probabilities by clinicians. Many clinicians overestimated the pre-test probability.
- After a positive test result, the probability was still overestimated by some.
- After a negative test result, many participants seemed uncertain and overestimated the probability. Some participants were 100% certain of a diagnosis even after a negative test.
Implications of Overestimated Probabilities
- Overestimated probability in deciding whether to initiate therapy can result in medication overuse.
- Errors can corrupt shared decision-making with patients.
- Communication skills are important, but communicating falsehoods is detrimental.
Analysis of a 2004 Study
- Clinicians in Australia and the UK were given three case scenarios: ischemic heart disease, deep vein thrombosis (DVT), and stroke risk.
- Clinicians were not well-calibrated in estimating probability, with vast overestimates for DVT and ischemic heart disease.
- Stroke risk estimates had a wide spread, ranging from close to 0% to 100%.
Conclusions from the 2004 Study
- Some clinicians indicated a pretest probability of 100%, reflecting a cautious attitude of assuming all patients have a disease until proven otherwise.
- Overestimation of disease risk can lead to clinicians being unable to judge false positive test results and may result in more intervention than necessary.
- Variability in estimates may be due to a lack of numeracy skills in previous medical curricula.
Addressing the Problem
- There isn't a need for high-level math; the goal is to tune intuitions for a better understanding of probability.
- Understanding probability helps avoid overestimating or underestimating and appraise literature effectively.
Understanding Bias
- Everyone has biases.
- Biases are tendencies to think a certain way, which were good heuristics at some point in evolutionary history.
- Knowing about cognitive biases doesn't prevent them from happening.
- Medicine is a book of illusions and it requires tools to counter cognitive biases.
- Judgments of representativeness are often substituted for judgments of actual probability.
Example Scenario: Steve the Librarian
- Steve is described as shy, withdrawn, helpful, with little interest in people or the world, meek, tidy, and with a need for order and structure.
- Most people assume Steve is more likely to be a librarian than a farmer based on representativeness, but the baseline probability of being a farmer is much higher (20:1).
- People asked to assess probability often answer a different question, using heuristics like automatic assessment of representatives.
Applying Probability to Medicine
- An uncommon presentation of a common disease is more likely than a common presentation of a rare disease.
- Diagnosis is not just pattern matching; pretest probabilities must be considered.
- When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras, and the context is important.
- Don't assume exotic diagnoses; consider common conditions first.
Bayesian Thinking
- Anchor judgment of the probability of an outcome on a plausible base rate.
- Question the diagnosticity of evidence.
Pretest and Post-Test Probabilities
- Pretest probability is the best estimate of disease probability before a test.
- Post-test probability is the probability after the test result.
- After another test is completed, the post-test probability becomes a pretest probability.
Determining Pretest Probabilities
Reference Class
- Start with a good reference class, which is a set of patients that most closely matches the patient.
Basic Reference Class
- The prevalence of the disease in a population. Finding overall prevalence.
Considerations
- It's relatively easy to find such statistics.
- Prevalence can be an underestimate if people frequently seek medical attention for the condition.
- Less helpful for acute conditions.
Specific Reference Class
Identifying Studies
- Studies give the eventual diagnosis in patients presenting to different clinical settings with a particular concern.
Advantages
- Studies consider the presenting symptom and cover the fact that people tend to seek medical attention for some conditions more than others.
Disadvantages
- Research is harder to find, and the clinical scenario and the research may be different from one's own.
Information to Avoid
- Do not use incidence, the frequency of a disease over some period of time is not a good estimate of a pretest probability. Also avoid lifetime prevalence.
Tips to Improve Estimates
- Consider finding different reference classes to use as maximum and minimum estimates. Revise illness scripts and update them over time - Built-in pretest probability.
Clinical Examples
Anemia
- 33-year-old woman presents with fatigue and iron deficiency anemia is considered. Consider world prevalence of iron deficiency anemia (27%), Canadian prevalence among women of her age (4%), and frequency of anemia of any type among people presenting to general practice with fatigue (3%).
- A reasonable pretest probability would be 3% to 4%.
Chest Pain
- 26-year-old woman with a history of anxiety presents with chest pain since yesterday, has started oral contraceptives one week ago and has been having relationship problems for the past 2 months. Consider anxiety, chest wall pain, and pulmonary embolism.
- Chest wall pain: prevalence studies of people going to general practice with chest pain show 45-49% have chest wall pain. It is probably the most likely cause.
- Anxiety: varies depending on source, but about 5%-10%
- These vary by orders of magnitude
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Understanding probability is crucial in medicine for accurate diagnoses and informed decisions. Pretest probability is essential for assessing the likelihood of a condition before testing, and post-test probability reflects the likelihood after considering test results. Complete certainty is unattainable, emphasizing the importance of Bayesian updating for continuous refinement of medical views.