HAL May-23

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What was the growth rate over the last 4 to 5 years?

  • 9%
  • 10%
  • 7% (correct)
  • 4%

What is the expected growth rate for FY '25?

  • 10%
  • 9%
  • Double-digit growth (correct)
  • 8%

What percentage growth has been achieved in the current financial year?

  • 9% (correct)
  • 7%
  • 14%
  • 12%

What are the anticipated profit margins beyond FY '25?

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What has contributed to the improved profit margins mentioned?

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What is projected for the growth rate after achieving double-digit growth?

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What guidance has been provided for the growth in FY '24?

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What was the improvement in guidance compared to last year's growth rate?

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What is the expected outcome regarding the prototype production of LCA Mk-2?

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What role does HAL play in relation to the engine production?

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What is crucial for OEMs to do business with HAL in India?

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What is the current status of the TOT negotiations with GE?

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What amount of HTT-40 development revenue was booked in the quarter?

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How much amortization has been booked in relation to the HTT-40 development?

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What is the ultimate goal related to TOT mentioned in the passage?

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What factor is seen as necessary for OEMs to understand their business operations in India?

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What major factor has caused some concerns in the supply chain?

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How has HAL managed to maintain operations despite disruptions?

<p>By opening channels with Russia (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

What changes are being made to the ALH's design?

<p>Replacing aluminum control rods with steel rods (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

What impact did the grounding of the ALH have on HAL's future order book?

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What is HAL's primary interest according to the response?

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What has been the effect of the COVID-19 disruptions on HAL's operations?

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What payment issues were faced by HAL?

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What similarity do the ALH and LCH have in their designs?

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What was the impact of the MiG-21 on HAL's financials?

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Who expressed confidence about meeting investors' expectations?

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What role does Shri.C.B.Ananthakrishnan hold?

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What was the main topic addressed in the conference call?

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What did Harshit Kapadia do at the end of the conference call?

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What has been HAL's performance trend over the last 4 to 5 years?

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Who concluded the conference call?

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What was highlighted about the orders in HAL's pipeline?

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What is the percentage of provisions that the IT department is trying to maintain?

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What type of provisions have been created by the company for the current financial year?

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What is expected to happen to the provisions during the current financial year?

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What is Harshit Patel inquiring about concerning the MiG-21?

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According to C.B.Ananthakrishnan, what is the company's stance on the MiG-21 overhaul?

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What is the expected impact of the MiG-21 on HAL's revenue in the fiscal year 2022-2023?

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What primary expense is the company preparing provisions for regarding the Indian Airforce?

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What does the company expect regarding future provisions based on actual expenditure incurred?

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What is the estimated value of the order pipeline for Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for FY '24?

<p>INR48,000 crores (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

Which engine accounts for the largest portion of HAL's order pipeline?

<p>AL-31 engines (B)</p> Signup and view all the answers

How many ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter) units are included in the order pipeline?

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What is the anticipated value of the RD-33 engines in the order pipeline?

<p>INR4,500 crores (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

What figure is associated with the anticipated 12 additional SU-30 units?

<p>INR12,000 crores (D)</p> Signup and view all the answers

What is the expected order value for the light utility helicopters (LUH)?

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How much is HAL projecting for the growth in their execution timeline?

<p>14% to 15% (C)</p> Signup and view all the answers

Which of the following numbers reflects the order of the FP RD-33 engines?

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Flashcards

What supply chain issues has HAL faced?

The supply chain for aircraft parts has experienced some disruptions due to the geopolitical conflict, particularly with Russia. However, HAL has managed to resolve these issues with minimal impact on operations and fleet serviceability.

Is HAL confident about the future of their supply chain?

HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) is confident that they will be able to maintain the supply chain for aircraft parts and continue operations without significant disruption.

How has HAL maintained operations during recent crises?

HAL has successfully managed to avoid any operational disruption, including fleet serviceability, despite challenges posed by the COVID-19 pandemic and the geopolitical conflict.

What is the issue with the ALH?

The grounding of the ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter) was due to an issue with aluminum control rods. These are being replaced with steel rods to rectify the problem.

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Has the ALH issue been fully resolved?

While the steel rod replacement addresses the core issue, potential design or other unresolved problems may exist, affecting the exact timeframe for the ALH's return to service.

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How is the ALH issue impacting future orders?

The grounding of the ALH has created uncertainty about future orders for the aircraft, particularly for the 25 ALH order and the 140 LCH (Light Combat Helicopter) order. This is because the LCH shares a similar design and engine with the ALH, potentially creating concerns about its reliability.

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What is the potential impact of the ALH grounding on HAL's orders?

The grounding of the ALH may have a significant impact on the future order book of HAL, as the issue could potentially affect orders for the LCH, which shares design and engine components with the ALH.

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How does the ALH issue affect HAL's business prospects?

The grounding of the ALH is likely to affect the future orders for both the ALH and the LCH because they share similar design and engine components. This uncertainty could lead to delays or cancellations of these orders, affecting HAL's overall business prospects.

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HAL's recent growth rate

HAL's revenue growth has been steady for the past few years, reaching almost 7% in the last 4-5 years.

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HAL's projected growth for FY'23 & FY'24

HAL plans to maintain single-digit growth (7-8%) in both FY'23 and FY'24, with a potential increase to 9% in FY'24.

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HAL's long-term growth strategy

HAL aims to achieve double-digit growth from FY'25 onwards, with a target of 12-13% and a potential stabilization at 14-15% in the future.

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HAL's projected net margin

HAL expects a double-digit net margin (around 10-11%) in FY'25, which they plan to further increase to 12% in the following years, ultimately stabilizing at 15%.

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Factors contributing to HAL's expected profitability

HAL attributes their projected improved profitability to operational efficiency and increased productivity. This includes outsourcing and collaboration with private industries.

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Profit policy at HAL

HAL has a profit policy guiding their operations and ensuring a sustainable level of profitability.

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HAL's approach to growth and profitability

HAL is committed to achieving their ambitious growth and profitability targets through a combination of operational efficiency, collaboration with private industries, and adherence to their profit policy.

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HAL's ownership structure

HAL is a state-owned company, highlighting their significant role in India's defense sector.

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Technology Transfer (TOT) for LCA Mk-2

The transfer of technology (TOT) from one company to another, enabling the recipient to manufacture a product or service independently. In the context of the LCA Mk-2, this refers to GE providing the technology for manufacturing the GE 414 engine in India.

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TOT Delay Impact on LCA Mk-2 Development

The delay in obtaining the required technology transfer (TOT) from GE for the GE 414 engine, potentially affecting the development timeline for the LCA Mk-2.

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HAL's Role in GE 414 Engine Production

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the designated production agency for the GE 414 engine in India, meaning they will manufacture the engine domestically.

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India's Defense Industry Strategy

A key strategy for India's defense industry is to require all suppliers, including engine manufacturers, to establish manufacturing facilities and transfer technology (TOT) within India in order to do business in the country.

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HAL Bangalore: Engine Production Hub

HAL's engine division in Bangalore has been recognized as a production agency for the GE 414 engine.

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CAG Sanction for GE 414 TOT

The Indian government's approval for a project, known as the 'Comptroller and Auditor General' (CAG) sanction, is required for HAL to finalize the contract with GE for the GE 414 engine TOT.

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HTT-40 Development Revenue

The revenue booked by HAL for the development of the HTT-40 trainer aircraft, which is not directly related to the LCA Mk-2 program.

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HTT-40 Development Costs

The cost of the HTT-40 development project that is deducted from the revenue to calculate the operating profit, or Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization (EBITDA).

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HTT-40 Amortization Expense

The depreciation expense related to the HTT-40 development project, which is an accounting method that spreads the cost of an asset over its useful life.

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What is HAL's order pipeline for FY24?

The total value of potential future orders for HAL, which is expected to be around INR 48,000 crores (approximately $6 billion USD) in the current fiscal year.

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What is the largest component of HAL's FY24 order pipeline?

A major component of HAL's FY24 order pipeline is the 240 AL-31-FP engines, valued at approximately INR 26,000 crores, which accounts for over half of the total pipeline.

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What is the estimated value of the RD-33 engine orders in HAL's FY24 pipeline?

The RD-33 engines are expected to contribute around INR 4,500 crores to HAL's FY24 order pipeline, likely driven by ongoing production and potential new orders.

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How much value is expected from the ALH Dhruv orders in HAL's FY24 pipeline?

The order for 25 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) Dhruv is anticipated to bring approximately INR 3,500 crores to HAL's FY24 order pipeline, contributing a significant amount to their overall revenue.

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What is the estimated value of the LUH orders in HAL's FY24 pipeline?

HAL expects to receive around INR 2,500 crores from the orders for 12 Light Utility Helicopters (LUH) in FY24, adding to their overall revenue.

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What is the potential order for Su-30 aircraft in HAL's FY24 pipeline, and what could be its impact?

HAL anticipates a potential additional order of 12 Su-30 aircraft, which could contribute an additional INR 12,000 crores to their FY24 order pipeline, boosting their revenue significantly.

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What is the projected order for the LCH over the next 2-3 years?

HAL anticipates an INR 45,000 crore (approximately $5.5 billion USD) potential order for the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) over the next 2-3 years, demonstrating strong future prospects for the company.

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What are HAL's provisions for?

HAL has made provisions for potential costs related to loans taken for supplying to the Indian Airforce. These provisions might decrease if actual expenditures turn out to be lower than estimated.

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Why did HAL create provisions?

HAL has created provisions for potential expenses related to the Indian Airforce loan because once they start supplying the product, they will need to return the loan.

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How confident is HAL about their provisions?

HAL is confident that the provisions they have created will be enough to cover potential costs, and there will be no negative impact on their profitability.

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What is HAL's involvement with the MiG-21?

The MiG-21 does not play a part in HAL's revenue stream. HAL stopped overhauling MiG-21s and only performs R-25 engine maintenance.

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Does the MiG-21 impact HAL's revenue?

HAL's revenue stream is not impacted by the MiG-21 because they stopped overhauling the aircraft, only maintaining the engines.

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How will HAL's provision impact their income?

HAL is confident that their provisions for potential expenses are conservative and should be sufficient to address all anticipated costs. However, they expect some of the provision amount to be released back as income if actual costs turn out lower than estimated.

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What is the potential benefit of HAL's provisions?

While HAL is confident that the provisions are sufficient, the potential for savings exists and could result in additional income for the company.

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What is HAL's approach to provisions?

HAL carefully created provisions to cover potential expenses associated with the Indian Airforce loan. They anticipate that actual costs may be lower than estimated, leading to potential savings and income adjustments.

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What is HAL?

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is a major Indian aerospace and defence company responsible for manufacturing and maintaining aircraft, helicopters, and other aviation equipment for the Indian armed forces.

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What is HAL's outlook on investor expectations?

HAL is confident that they will meet the expectations of investors due to strong growth, consistent performance in the past few years, and a robust order pipeline.

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Why is HAL confident about the future?

HAL's recent growth and performance, combined with a healthy order pipeline, give investors a positive view of the company's future.

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What is the impact of the MiG-21 engine maintenance project on HAL?

HAL's current MiG-21 engine maintenance project is a relatively small undertaking, representing only about INR 100 crores, and does not significantly impact the company's overall operations.

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How has HAL managed supply chain disruptions?

HAL has actively addressed and resolved supply chain disruptions caused by geopolitical events, ensuring minimal impact on their operations and fleet serviceability.

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What are some of HAL's major orders in the pipeline?

HAL's current order pipeline includes a large order for the Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) and the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), indicating a strong future demand for their products.

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What was the cause of the ALH grounding?

The grounding of the ALH was due to a problem with aluminum control rods, which are being replaced with steel rods.

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How does HAL address the uncertainty caused by the ALH grounding?

Despite the grounding of the ALH, HAL remains confident in their ability to deliver on their commitments and meet investor expectations.

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Study Notes

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Q4 FY 23 Earnings Conference Call

  • Date: May 17, 2023

  • Host: Elara Securities (India) Private Limited

  • Management: C.B. Ananthakrishnan (Director Finance & CFO, Additional Charge of Chairman & Managing Director), Jayadeva E.P. (Director Operations & Additional Charge of Director HR), Shailesh Bansal (Company Secretary)

  • Key Financial Highlights (Q4FY23):

    • Record revenue of INR 26,900 crores (vs INR 24,600 crores previous year)
    • Profit after tax (PAT) growth of around 14%
    • Earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) at 31% of revenue (vs 25-26% long-term trend)
    • Interest income of INR 900 crore (vs INR 400 crore previous year)
  • Order Book:

    • Significant order book exceeding INR 82,000 crores
    • INR 26,000 crore of orders liquidated in FY 22-23
    • Fresh orders of INR 26,000 crore during the year
    • Additional INR 18,000 crore for repair and overhaul expected
    • Orders for 70 HTT-40s, 6 Dorniers, and PSLV from New Space India Limited totaling INR 9000 crores and INR 800 crores respectively
    • Financial projections for FY24-25 include double-digit revenue growth, possibly 10%
    • Further development and purchase of additional equipment expected to come in 6-10 months, totaling close to INR 48,000
  • Key Issues/Concerns Addressed:

    • ALH grounding: 3 recent ALH accidents led to the grounding of the aircraft by the Army; though preliminary investigations have not led to a single cause, the focus on steel components as a precaution is significant
    • LCA Mk 2: The project is progressing, but there are some outstanding issues, specifically with the Engine TOT contracts, and the schedule for deliveries is yet to be finalized
    • Engine supply chain: HAL is diligently working to ensure uninterrupted supply of spares and to mitigate any supply chain issues, particularly if related to Russian sanctions
    • Export Potential: HAL is actively engaging in discussions with countries in Algeria, Argentina, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Middle East, Botswana, Thailand and Nigeria for potential export contracts
  • Key Strategies/Initiatives:

    • Embracing Atmanirbharta (self-reliance): HAL is focused on using indigenous technologies and reducing reliance on imports
    • Emphasis on indigenous design capabilities: HAL is working on improving its design capabilities and developing advanced aircraft

Conference Call - Additional Details

  • Conference Call hosted by: Elara Securities (India) Private Limited
  • Company Secretary & Compliance Officer: Shailesh Bansal
  • Details of Conference Call: Transcript of Q4FY23 results conference call, available on HAL's website
  • Address of Corporate Office of HAL provided

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